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| Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 07:05 pm |
I see its on ITV after the football. I'll probably watch, but to be quite honest with you, I am getting fed up of his fights, they get some cretin who couldn't beat an egg usually and its over within 2 minutes and then you have to listen to how its another step to getting him ready for bigger fights in the future.
Bring on Ricky Hatton for him.
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Billy Bradshaw
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 09:09 pm |
You don't understand the fight game do you Mich?
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 09:25 pm |
Billy Bradshaw wrote: You don't understand the fight game do you Mich?
What is there to understand? You just hit someone over the head.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 09:25 pm |
Thats something else to add to the list 
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 09:43 pm |
Got myself I nice ITV stream, lol
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 09:55 pm |
OMG, have you seen this muppet Gomez, he looks like a midget. I'd knock him out in one punch.
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21st, 2008 10:23 pm |
Thats the first Khan pro fight I have seen.
Bit of a slow starter. But what power and speed in the later part of the fight.
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Billy Bradshaw
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 06:28 am |
That was how you want a fight to be. All action. Khan needs these types of fights to build up his experience.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 06:52 am |
Well I am getting a bit fed up of Khan fights. It was the same with the other Olympic medal boxer, Audrey Harrison, they kept giving him fights he could not lose for ages, once he started facing some decent opponents he kept losing and that was the end of the money trail.
It seems to me the same is happening with Khan. Some of his opponents have been a complete joke. Michael Gomez has lost about 20% of his fights and is a nobody in the boxing world, yet at one stage in the fight last night it looked like Gomez was going to win, Khan was on the ropes.
Khan is not going to make it as a top boxer. He is simply on the money trail for himself and Frank Warren. Once he gets a proper good opponent with a good track record, Khan will be knocked out in the first round.
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Billy Bradshaw
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 08:21 am |
I love debating boxing with you Mich, because you know almost as much about as you do about football. 
Audley Harrison wasted his talent and did start losing when he faced anyone decent. That hasn't happened to Khan......so not like AH at all.
Gomez was never likely to beat Khan, but he did rough Khan up. That's what the lad needs. He needs to experience as many different styles as he can.
Let me explain boxing for you. Khan could fight for a world title any time now. He might even win it. But when you've got a talented boxer such as Khan, you want to bring them on slowly. Yes, it's about money and the best way to ensure that you make the most money is to bring that talent on slowly and build them up by putting them in the ring with boxers who will test them, but not smash them into oblivion. If/when Khan wins a world title, he'll then be better placed to hold on to that title, because he will have experienced all kinds of styles. He's now been taken the distance, which he hadn't in his earlier fights and he's now faced a tough guy in Gomez.
But the answer for you is simple Mich. If you don't like it......don't watch. But I bet you watched the fight last night didn't you? 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 08:22 am |
Caine is a WUM.
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Billy Bradshaw
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 08:32 am |
F.G.M.B wrote: Caine is a WUM.
He is a WUM who sat through the whole fight last night and probably enjoyed it as much as we did!!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 08:46 am |
Billy Bradshaw wrote: F.G.M.B wrote: Caine is a WUM.
He is a WUM who sat through the whole fight last night and probably enjoyed it as much as we did!!
Exactly 
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 09:47 am |
Khan could have finished this fight in two rounds, it was a total mismatch. All his fights are cherry picked and to me don't seem to be getting gradually harder as they should be. The knockdown was all part of the show, complete bo11ox.
He is fuelled by his own hype and if you put him in for a world title fight now he'd fall flat on his arse. Obviously Warren will milk it for all he can before he inevitabley has to put him in for a title or against a real contender and you'll see him for what he is.
By that time of course he'll have made his 10 million as will Warren and neither will give a sh1t about boxing.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 09:53 am |
Philsfaxmachine wrote: Khan could have finished this fight in two rounds, it was a total mismatch. All his fights are cherry picked and to me don't seem to be getting gradually harder as they should be. The knockdown was all part of the show, complete bo11ox.
He is fuelled by his own hype and if you put him in for a world title fight now he'd fall flat on his arse. Obviously Warren will milk it for all he can before he inevitabley has to put him in for a title or against a real contender and you'll see him for what he is.
By that time of course he'll have made his 10 million as will Warren and neither will give a sh1t about boxing.
Absolutely spot on. Billy, why not have a look at a boxing forum post, and you will see that my point and PFM's is what people in the boxing circles think as well.
http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-upcoming-matches-news-results/5538-amir-khan-vs-michael-gomez-results-thread.html
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 09:56 am |
Have a look at this one post in particular. Would love to see Frankie's face reading this, bet he feels a right charlie.
Hahaha, I was looking through the web for some betting info on the Gomez fight, I stumbled upon this sight by accident, and I have to say, you guys are hilarious!
Now, let me start by saying that I am NO fan of AK.
However, I always have bet on his fights and have made a few bob from him, as he is by far the safest bet I know of, and this is what has prompted me to write into this forum.
You guys are on here having conversations about Khan versus Gomez as though there were ANY possibility that Gomez could win this fight? OMG??? For Real???
For future reference, please let me advise all of you that AK is a total money making machine, and will be protected as such, he will be guarded as well as the Crown Jewels are, and will NEVER fight anyone who has even the remotest possibility of hurting/upsetting/stopping or even making him look bad.
The ONLY time AK will face someone of equal abilities or a fighter with the capability of actually beating him will be when he fights a FOREIGN fighter who is already a champion and ensures AK and his camp have NO ability to influence the outcome of the fight.
Anyone who sees the situation differently is kidding themselves on, and not doing the respectability of boxing any favours by buying into the farce.
I know that in real terms, AK is still a novice, but fighting shot/useless/non punching,(4% knockout records, ffs) is simply a PR exercise, designed to build up an impressive record of victories, and unfortunately, it will do just that, but when that happens, please remember the great Nigel Benn’s brilliant comment,
“They have brought another Mexican Road Sweeper over for me to fight”!
and you’ll understand what I mean.
I'll log back in tomorrow after AK destroys MG and declares that MG was a GREAT fighter etc,etc - and you can all correct me and tell me how wrong I am!!
Till then, I’m away to make a load of money from the AK experience!
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White Steel
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To be honest, I think you're both right on this. Khan is still a young boxer, and as Billy said, needs to have these fights against different styles before he'd be ready for the big time. For most fighters, though, that would happen outside the big-money professional circuit ... by the time we heard of them they'd have been through all that. However, by going through that outside the glare of the media, a couple of (losing) matches against harder opponents aren't picked up.
For Khan who's on the big money circuit there's an inbuilt incentive to make sure he wins, which means the opponents aren't quite the quality he needs. But it's still too soon to make a judgement - I'd reckon he's got another couple of years to come good.
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Billy Bradshaw
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 11:16 am |
Mich Caine wrote: Philsfaxmachine wrote: Khan could have finished this fight in two rounds, it was a total mismatch. All his fights are cherry picked and to me don't seem to be getting gradually harder as they should be. The knockdown was all part of the show, complete bo11ox.
He is fuelled by his own hype and if you put him in for a world title fight now he'd fall flat on his arse. Obviously Warren will milk it for all he can before he inevitabley has to put him in for a title or against a real contender and you'll see him for what he is.
By that time of course he'll have made his 10 million as will Warren and neither will give a sh1t about boxing.
Absolutely spot on. Billy, why not have a look at a boxing forum post, and you will see that my point and PFM's is what people in the boxing circles think as well.
http://www.boxingforum.com/boxing-upcoming-matches-news-results/5538-amir-khan-vs-michael-gomez-results-thread.html
What a stunner. Pfm having a go at something emanating from Bolton/Britain. Now there's a surprise.
Why does it come as any surprise that Khan's team are wanting to build him up to a title fight and make some cash along the way? Because one loss and it could all be over. You lot make me laugh. He's a professional boxer, with the emphasis on professional. That means he needs to earn a living and from his earnings, pay for the people around him. The people that pay to watch him are very happy doing it. If they weren't, they wouldn't go and watch him and the tickets wouldn't sell.
Every fight (for most boxers, unless you are world champion.....and sometimes not even then!!) won't be a classic and every fight will be against someone that certain people think isn't worthy. I seem to remember Hatton being criticised for some of his opponents. It was the same for Hamed.
This is a professional sport and that includes everything that surrounds any professional sport.....like a football team fielding their reserves in cup games. I'm very surprised that you two (Pfm and Mich) are this naive to be honest.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 11:26 am |
Billy, you are losing the point. All I said was that I am getting a bit fed up of Khan's opponents always being push overs and you know 99.99% that he will win.
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Billy Bradshaw
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 11:43 am |
Mich Caine wrote: Billy, you are losing the point. All I said was that I am getting a bit fed up of Khan's opponents always being push overs and you know 99.99% that he will win.
I'm not. One punch could have ended it for Khan, and Gomez got through with a couple of good ones. When they pick his opponents, they will want to minimise the risk. They want to push Khan, but not risk his future. The longer that fight went on, there was only going to be one winner. But Gomez knocked him down and also hit Khan with a body shot that hurt him good. That's exactly what Khan needs right now. He needs to go in with a series of fighters who will ask questions, but shouldn't push him too much. It's in the interests of Warren, his coaching team and Khan himself.
If Khan hadn't have got up last night, where would that have left his career? In that game, you really can't afford to lose when you're a hot prospect. Of course they hand pick his opponents, but Khan's whole career (right now) is geared towards preparing him for a world title fight. That's all that matters to his team. Gomez was the next step in his career.
Khan won easily in the end last night, but Gomez gave him 3 or 4 tough rounds. No matter how hard Khan hit him, he still came forward (until the last round or two). that's what world class opponents will do with Khan. They won't back off. Last night was a positive step in his quest for a world title.
As to the point you make above Mich......if the idea of building him up towards a title fight in this way disgusts you or makes you feel short-changed, then don't watch. But you will Mich, because you've watched all his recent fights......and no doubt Pfm does as well.
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Liam
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I thought for a while that Amir was being given people to slaughter then when I saw last night some replays of his first 8 or so fights realised what a long way he's come. His technique and his physique has improved dramatically. You saw a different fighter to a year and a half ago last night.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 12:03 pm |
Well I tell you what, if a muppet like Gomez can knock Khan down, you have to worry what someone with real quality would do to Khan.
Its 18 fights he has faced now, yet not one has been a test. I understand that its more money in all their pockets and you can't go from not having a fight to going for a world title belt, but how many more of these non events are they going to put Khan through?
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 01:49 pm |
For where he's at Khans opponents have been spot on.
Willie Limond, Graham Earle and Michael Gomez were all credible opponents and all offered something different from which Khan could learn.
The Nigel Benn comment about Mexican road sweepers was just paraphrasing what was said about another boxer who was just fed easy opponents.  His name was Joe Louis!
Every successful boxer has had this charge levelled against them. Its all BS.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 02:01 pm |
Harry Genshaw wrote: For where he's at Khans opponents have been spot on.
Willie Limond, Graham Earle and Michael Gomez were all credible opponents and all offered something different from which Khan could learn.
The Nigel Benn comment about Mexican road sweepers was just paraphrasing what was said about another boxer who was just fed easy opponents. His name was Joe Louis!
Every successful boxer has had this charge levelled against them. Its all BS.
Please tell me you are joking Harry. Limond, Gomez and Earl good opponents? I could take those 3 on at once and not have a mark on me.
Lets be honest, Frank Warren (who's family took the name from a rabbit) has found a way to line his and Khan's pockets, and that is what all this is about. Come 2011 you will see Khan fighting these sort of jokers.
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 04:31 pm |
.....and Mich will still be watching!!
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| Posted: Sun Jun 22nd, 2008 04:31 pm |
Mich Caine wrote: Please tell me you are joking Harry. Limond, Gomez and Earl good opponents? I could take those 3 on at once and not have a mark on me.
Lets be honest, Frank Warren (who's family took the name from a rabbit) has found a way to line his and Khan's pockets, and that is what all this is about. Come 2011 you will see Khan fighting these sort of jokers.
I'm not joking Mich. You have to remember that not everybody is as bad to the bone as you are.
Boxers only get better with experience. Those that are no good fall away at their first real test. The better ones get within a whiff of a domestic title shot. The good ones get close to a world title shot and the really good ones do get a world title shot.
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D1OUFY
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| Posted: Tue Jul 1st, 2008 12:01 pm |
I hadnt read this thread before today. When I saw the title I just knew Mich would be slating the opponents being pushovers!
Yes they may not be good enough but surely thats because Khan is much better?
Liken it to a new football team, starting from scratch. They will not just suddenly appear in the Premiership. As will Khan not fight a world class fighter in his first year as a pro.
He keeps winning yes... so his opponents will get gradually harder... funnily enough just like progressing up the football leagues.
(Just waiting for the Gretna analogy now)
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Campos Barber
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What about Gretna?
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Billy Bradshaw
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| Posted: Fri Jul 4th, 2008 01:03 pm |
D1OUFY wrote: I hadnt read this thread before today. When I saw the title I just knew Mich would be slating the opponents being pushovers!
Yes they may not be good enough but surely thats because Khan is much better?
Liken it to a new football team, starting from scratch. They will not just suddenly appear in the Premiership. As will Khan not fight a world class fighter in his first year as a pro.
He keeps winning yes... so his opponents will get gradually harder... funnily enough just like progressing up the football leagues.
(Just waiting for the Gretna analogy now)
........and Mich will carry on whinging until one day when Khan gets knocked out. then Mich will claim he told us that he wasn't any good.
A bit like Rodney Marsh who all those years ago said we were going down, and then to save face, he had to say it every season. If he'd have kept his sky job  he would have carried on saying it until it happened.
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