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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 03:21 pm |
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My mate is an OT season ticket holder, but to his disgust, he lost out on the ballot for cup final tickets. He wrote a long letter to the club and to his suprise, he was offered 2 tickets from a corporate allocation right on the half way line at £80 each.
Friday afternoon, I rang him to let him know that 2 tickets on Ebay were being sold for close on 2 grand. No, he said, i still want to go, im not selling them. He then went on to say that he had ben told if he put them back into a corporate 'pot' he could ask around 3 to 3 and a half grand each for them. He still went to the match.
So, Bolton are at Wembley in an FA cup final. You have 2 tickets. How much do you turn down before you sell?
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 03:30 pm |
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| After being there with Morecambe, it'd take a hell of a lot of money. Life changing money. I can't wait to go with Bolton, it'll mean the world to me.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 03:39 pm |
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Dunno, I was there twice in 95, when we lost and won. And if you offered me £5000 to erase the memory of either of thise games, I'd turn you down. I'm not sure though, according to your figures they were selling for £3500 on ebay, so I'd take the £5000, buy one off ebay and poket £1500, easy!
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 03:40 pm |
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£5k - sorry, need a new car... 
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White Steel
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 04:07 pm |
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Sorry, I just wouldn't
Apart from the fact that touting footy tickets is illegal, I'd still want to go. I wouldn't pay £3,000 but I wouldn't sell them for £3,000 that I'd never miss because I never had in the first place.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 04:08 pm |
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I went for a grand, because that would tempt me right now. But it's hard to say until/unless I had the money waved in front of my face!! If they offered a grand, then I'd know that they are likely to go higher. 
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 04:17 pm |
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Unless I was in deep financial muck I wouldnt sell!
Well unless someone offered me something stupid like an amount of money that would pay off my mortgage and all my other debts, student loan, loan from bank of dad, that kind of thing then I might consider it!!!!
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 04:20 pm |
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Only one answer.
Never.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 04:28 pm |
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If it was the FA Cup Final, then there is no way that I would sell.
My parents would not allow me go to the 1958 FA Cup Final, and I have always said that the next time that The Wanderers reach an FA Cup Final, I will be there. (How much I would actually pay for a touted ticket, I just don't know, and although I have been to Finals at Wembley (Sherpa and Coco Cola), Play-Offs, and the Semi against Villa, none of these has been the FA Cup, which to me is the One and only One
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 05:04 pm |
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| I've seen Bolton at Wembely twice but my daughter hasn't. I wouldn't sell the tickets under any circumstances.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 07:02 pm |
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| My son would kill me. End of.
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Posted: Mon May 21st, 2007 10:28 pm |
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| My granddad was there in 1923 (and probably 26 and 29), my dad in 1958 so wouldn't even consider selling. Family tradition has to carry on. Last edited on Mon May 21st, 2007 10:29 pm by Benny_Bear
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 08:24 am |
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Benny_Bear wrote: My granddad was there in 1923 (and probably 26 and 29), my dad in 1958 so wouldn't even consider selling. Family tradition has to carry on. thats nothing my great grandads cousin was on the pitch in 23, 26 and 29! scored a goal too in 26 and 29!
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 08:44 am |
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Grandad was also there in 1923, I would not part with the tickets at any price. I was there for the 1995 Wembley final versus Liverpool (missed Tomo's goal having a wizz too many beer's), the Cardiff Final versus Boro. If we got too an FA Cup final in my life time then the ticket and attendance would be just the icing on the cake as a Bolton fan.
The better question is how much would I pay to get a ticket... Please note those of you that are selling out at less than £5K I will be contacting you when Sammy gets us there.. Lol
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 08:51 am |
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Catte Strophe wrote: Grandad was also there in 1923, I would not part with the tickets at any price. I was there for the 1995 Wembley final versus Liverpool (missed Tomo's goal having a wizz too many beer's), the Cardiff Final versus Boro. If we got too an FA Cup final in my life time then the ticket and attendance would be just the icing on the cake as a Bolton fan.
The better question is how much would I pay to get a ticket... Please note those of you that are selling out at less than £5K I will be contacting you when Sammy gets us there.. Lol
I think that I had better reserve mine now with Billy, before anyone else thinks about it.  As long as he's not going to renege on his selling for a grand.
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 10:10 am |
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| Billy can I register my interest in purchasing your future FA Cup Final tickets, I will give you £1001 for one FA Cup Final ticket based on BWFC being one of the teams playing.. Unless of course I get a ticket through the normal Ticket office fiasco, then bdifb can start negotiations.
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 02:19 pm |
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From BBC Sport :-
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Will buy one of Billie's, go to the Final and then report him. Lol 
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 02:47 pm |
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All they need to do is offer a reward and I think there will be a rush of Dobbers, specially the Manure fans who paid £700+ to watch a crap match and then them lose.
Will be funny when the players who received them and then sold them on are named and shamed, I bet that some of the tickets given to darlington, Carlisle and Hartlepool somehow found there way into the tout's pockets..
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 03:33 pm |
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Catte Strophe wrote: All they need to do is offer a reward and I think there will be a rush of Dobbers, specially the Manure fans who paid £700+ to watch a crap match and then them lose.
Will be funny when the players who received them and then sold them on are named and shamed, I bet that some of the tickets given to darlington, Carlisle and Hartlepool somehow found there way into the tout's pockets..
It will finish up as another cover-up, Panorama will get on the case, we will then wait about 3 years for their version of events, before everybody is let off. 
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 09:19 pm |
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As a 'local' I was really hoping that we'd reach the final whilst it was still in Cardiff, but I had to make do with the Carling Cup Final and the Preston play-off match.
I can't help feeling we missed the boat the year that Millwall made the final and we lost to Tranmere flaming Rovers at home in a replay (I think). Course in those days BSA was so concerned about Premiership survival that the average age of his cup team was 12 years old.
However, if we made it to a Wembley FA Cup Final there's no way I could sell the tickets - just don't tell the missus how much I could get for them!!:wink:
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 10:18 pm |
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Catte Strophe wrote: Billy can I register my interest in purchasing your future FA Cup Final tickets, I will give you £1001 for one FA Cup Final ticket based on BWFC being one of the teams playing.. Unless of course I get a ticket through the normal Ticket office fiasco, then bdifb can start negotiations. I think we have an auction going for my future FA Cup tickets. 
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Posted: Tue May 22nd, 2007 10:35 pm |
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cardiffwhite wrote: I can't help feeling we missed the boat the year that Millwall made the final and we lost to Tranmere flaming Rovers at home in a replay (I think). Course in those days BSA was so concerned about Premiership survival that the average age of his cup team was 12 years old.
I remember that.
Our run to the final would've read something like: Tranmere, Swansea, Milwall, Sunderland.
Since then we've hit nothing but Premiership teams it seems!
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Posted: Wed May 23rd, 2007 08:16 am |
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futures market...
my girlfriends ex was a ref and he's involved with the FA , in previous years he has passed some tickets on to one of her sons... but recently he's been very very careful with this because the FA are warning that people will get fined / lose privalidges if any tickets get sold for above face value....
Billy Bradshaw wrote: Catte Strophe wrote: Billy can I register my interest in purchasing your future FA Cup Final tickets, I will give you £1001 for one FA Cup Final ticket based on BWFC being one of the teams playing.. Unless of course I get a ticket through the normal Ticket office fiasco, then bdifb can start negotiations. I think we have an auction going for my future FA Cup tickets. Last edited on Wed May 23rd, 2007 08:19 am by d-f-b
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Posted: Wed May 23rd, 2007 09:41 am |
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d-f-b wrote:
futures market...
my girlfriends ex was a ref and he's involved with the FA , in previous years he has passed some tickets on to one of her sons... but recently he's been very very careful with this because the FA are warning that people will get fined / lose privalidges if any tickets get sold for above face value....
This is what the problem is. Football ticket resales were originally restricted to stop rival fans mixing, not to prevent profiteering. Profiteering's not fair, but there's not a lot wrong with it - if Billy wants to be an entrepreneur then why not? It's just that with eBay and auctions you can now get the maximum possible money.
The problem is, as indicated on here, most fans don't want to sell tickets. Sure, you get problems as what happenned with the Carling Cup, but that can be solved. Instead, most of the resellers are FA or corporate tickets that have been given to someone with no interest. The simple solution is cut those and give more tickets to fans. If the FA genuinely see them as being a "bonus" to people like this ref, then they need to recognise that the "bonus" may not be a trip to Wembley; rather the resale value. But doing that would make them unpopular; better to fiddle and blame someone else.
It's something that annoys me; same with music tickets where the promoters could stop it if they really wanted, but doing so would mean either empty seats or the need to offer a right of return. I'm afraid these people - including the FA - want to have their cake and eat it ... let the touts do their dirty work and then prosecute them for doing so.
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Posted: Wed May 23rd, 2007 11:13 am |
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d-f-b wrote:
futures market...
my girlfriends ex was a ref and he's involved with the FA , in previous years he has passed some tickets on to one of her sons... but recently he's been very very careful with this because the FA are warning that people will get fined / lose privalidges if any tickets get sold for above face value....
This is what the problem is. Football ticket resales were originally restricted to stop rival fans mixing, not to prevent profiteering. Profiteering's not fair, but there's not a lot wrong with it - if Billy wants to be an entrepreneur then why not? It's just that with eBay and auctions you can now get the maximum possible money.
The problem is, as indicated on here, most fans don't want to sell tickets. Sure, you get problems as what happenned with the Carling Cup, but that can be solved. Instead, most of the resellers are FA or corporate tickets that have been given to someone with no interest. The simple solution is cut those and give more tickets to fans. If the FA genuinely see them as being a "bonus" to people like this ref, then they need to recognise that the "bonus" may not be a trip to Wembley; rather the resale value. But doing that would make them unpopular; better to fiddle and blame someone else.
It's something that annoys me; same with music tickets where the promoters could stop it if they really wanted, but doing so would mean either empty seats or the need to offer a right of return. I'm afraid these people - including the FA - want to have their cake and eat it ... let the touts do their dirty work and then prosecute them for doing so.
Rant over
The way round it with the ref thing would be for them to have the offer of a ticket and a deadline by which to claim it. Any unclaimed tickets could then be sold onto to fans and ref could get his perk when he actually wanted to go to a game.
TicketMaster have started to offer resale of tickets but they take a percentage whereas Scarlet Mist allows you to sell tickets to someone who can use them but not at tout prices. I sold tickets for Bryan Adams that way to people who could use them and I got my money back.
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Posted: Wed May 23rd, 2007 11:19 am |
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Don't think I could sell my Cup Final Ticket at any price.
Having been to Wembley every time Bolton have been there in my lifetime there is no way I could sell my ticket.
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Posted: Wed May 23rd, 2007 12:08 pm |
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oh err, forgot to add.. there never was any question of the tickets being up for sale... i think it was just the case that it was now EX-girlfriends son  ..
personally , i think it's rubbish that the national stadium is hardly any larger than some of the bigger grounds...
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d-f-b wrote:
futures market...
my girlfriends ex was a ref and he's involved with the FA , in previous years he has passed some tickets on to one of her sons... but recently he's been very very careful with this because the FA are warning that people will get fined / lose privalidges if any tickets get sold for above face value....
This is what the problem is. Football ticket resales were originally restricted to stop rival fans mixing, not to prevent profiteering. Profiteering's not fair, but there's not a lot wrong with it - if Billy wants to be an entrepreneur then why not? It's just that with eBay and auctions you can now get the maximum possible money.
The problem is, as indicated on here, most fans don't want to sell tickets. Sure, you get problems as what happenned with the Carling Cup, but that can be solved. Instead, most of the resellers are FA or corporate tickets that have been given to someone with no interest. The simple solution is cut those and give more tickets to fans. If the FA genuinely see them as being a "bonus" to people like this ref, then they need to recognise that the "bonus" may not be a trip to Wembley; rather the resale value. But doing that would make them unpopular; better to fiddle and blame someone else.
It's something that annoys me; same with music tickets where the promoters could stop it if they really wanted, but doing so would mean either empty seats or the need to offer a right of return. I'm afraid these people - including the FA - want to have their cake and eat it ... let the touts do their dirty work and then prosecute them for doing so.
Rant over
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Posted: Wed May 23rd, 2007 12:08 pm |
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| Another mate of mine used to work in the OT ticket office. They had a 'preferred' list of touts that they dealt with quite openly. A local cafe ( named after an ex player) has tickets for most games quite openly on sale that are obtained from the T/O when they want to close early or have 'difficult' tickets to get rid of.
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d-f-b wrote:
personally , i think it's rubbish that the national stadium is hardly any larger than some of the bigger grounds...
From BBC Sport, "The Times" Quote :-
Uefa says the new Wembley does not incorporate many of its requirements to stage a Champions League final, despite two meetings during construction to explain what they are.
IMO, After all the fiasco over the building of the New Wembley, you would have thought that someone would have taken notice of UEFA requirements. So if that the case, won't do England any good when trying to host any Competitions.
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Posted: Thu May 24th, 2007 01:44 pm |
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Tis funny the FA have stated they know who every ticket was sold to and they will investigate whom has made money from the FA Cup final, what will they do when they find out that Players and FA officials may have allegedly profited ?
The alleged way the risk of prosecution as a tout is avoided is to advertise the envelope for sale with the official emblem on the letter and sold as "unopened" on an auction style site.
The emphasis is that you are purchising the envelope and not the content, the content you are being given as "FREE"... now it is alleged this does not break the current laws regarding ticket sales and legals out there willing to comment ??
I guess all the Manure fans who paid over the odds are rushing to the FA to report the fact that "we wuz robbed"...
Billy if the legals pass this approach then we are on at some unstated time in the future..
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