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STONEROSEWHITE wrote: Personally Phil Brown for me, done his time now at Blackpool & Bolton as assistant, And at Derby & Hull City as manager. But somehow i don't think he will be considered, so really we are looking for someone ready available. I would not want Paul Jewell - Another Scouser would be to much, Aidy Boothroyd is a good shout - Good up & coming manager, Gerald Houllier - Depends on wether he is sick of winning trophies at Lyon and how desperate he his to get back to the prem - Well organised, wouldn't mind him. Vialli - Mmmmm ???. Dowie - Not good enough, Speed - I doubt it after the trouble thats evolved within the playing staff etc. Djorkaeff - Inexpeirienced but would love it.
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Houllier left Lyon in the summer. That crappy Portsmouth manager Perin is their manager now. I hate Houllier, he wouldn't be right for us with out limited funds.
Anyway, blimey, England 2-1 down, qualification is out of the hands of England if it stays like this. It would be pretty unbelievable if England didn't qualify from this group, Russia and Croatia are nothing special.
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Mich Caine wrote: It would be pretty unbelievable if England didn't qualify from this group, Russia and Croatia are nothing special.
It would also be very amusing.......... 
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Valderee wrote: Mich Caine wrote: It would be pretty unbelievable if England didn't qualify from this group, Russia and Croatia are nothing special.
It would also be very amusing..........
Are you not a big England fan? Its no contest for me, I like Bolton a million times more than England, but these Euro finals are not the same if our nation aren't in it. Can you imagine if Scotland qualify from their group but we don't?
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Mich Caine wrote: Valderee wrote: Mich Caine wrote: It would be pretty unbelievable if England didn't qualify from this group, Russia and Croatia are nothing special.
It would also be very amusing..........
Are you not a big England fan? Its no contest for me, I like Bolton a million times more than England, but these Euro finals are not the same if our nation aren't in it. Can you imagine if Scotland qualify from their group but we don't?
well according to beeb, russia will have to drop points vs israel or andorra.
mclaren has brought us back to the enjoyment of not knowing if we'll qualify for a tournament.... heaven forbid those horrible semifinals that pesky sven brought us...
and sven has got man city into the top 6 , ,
lee ? well i dont like the idea that he seemingly annoyed pg and eddie by dropping nolan and speed... this is what they've said, so be interesting if he plays..
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d-f-b wrote: Mich Caine wrote: Valderee wrote: Mich Caine wrote: It would be pretty unbelievable if England didn't qualify from this group, Russia and Croatia are nothing special.
It would also be very amusing..........
Are you not a big England fan? Its no contest for me, I like Bolton a million times more than England, but these Euro finals are not the same if our nation aren't in it. Can you imagine if Scotland qualify from their group but we don't?
well according to beeb, russia will have to drop points vs israel or andorra.
mclaren has brought us back to the enjoyment of not knowing if we'll qualify for a tournament.... heaven forbid those horrible semifinals that pesky sven brought us...
and sven has got man city into the top 6 , ,
lee ? well i dont like the idea that he seemingly annoyed pg and eddie by dropping nolan and speed... this is what they've said, so be interesting if he plays..
Would McLaren get the sack if England don't qualify? He hasn't done much wrong for quite a while and today England looked fine and a mad 5 mins, a penalty that shouldn't have been a penalty and a second goal which was opportunist. I didn't think England deserved to lose whatsoever. Quite amazing they lost.
Its amazing with the players we have if we don't qualify. I do think he was the wrong appointment when he was appointed. Probably was, afterall their away matches - defeats at Croatia and Russia, a draw at Israel. Not good enough.
Something has happened for Lee to be sacked now, some 10 days after our last game. Why not last week? Maybe player unrest?
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Mich Caine wrote: Are you not a big England fan? Its no contest for me, I like Bolton a million times more than England, but these Euro finals are not the same if our nation aren't in it. Can you imagine if Scotland qualify from their group but we don't?
I used to be very keen - am old enough to remember '66 and all that, it is just the attitude of the so-called star players (e.g. Lampard, Rooney), Sven's stupidity in his last 2 years, and now McCarrot's ineptitude, that remind me of the dark days of Don Revie. When McCarrot was forced to leave out some of the so-called stars I think we played better. So for me, non-qualification and a radical rethink would be good.
Like you, BWFC all the way over England, but I do wish I could feel like I used to about England.
Anyway, we're going off topic.........
I would not want McCarrot as BWFC manager for sure.
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Valderee wrote: Mich Caine wrote: Are you not a big England fan? Its no contest for me, I like Bolton a million times more than England, but these Euro finals are not the same if our nation aren't in it. Can you imagine if Scotland qualify from their group but we don't?
I used to be very keen - am old enough to remember '66 and all that, it is just the attitude of the so-called star players (e.g. Lampard, Rooney), Sven's stupidity in his last 2 years, and now McCarrot's ineptitude, that remind me of the dark days of Don Revie. When McCarrot was forced to leave out some of the so-called stars I think we played better. So for me, non-qualification and a radical rethink would be good.
Like you, BWFC all the way over England, but I do wish I could feel like I used to about England.
Anyway, we're going off topic.........
I would not want McCarrot as BWFC manager for sure.
Let's hope we appoint someone in October because McClaren will be availalbe at the end of November - he can take over Newcastle when they give SA the England job.
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Drew wrote: Valderee wrote: Mich Caine wrote: Are you not a big England fan? Its no contest for me, I like Bolton a million times more than England, but these Euro finals are not the same if our nation aren't in it. Can you imagine if Scotland qualify from their group but we don't?
I used to be very keen - am old enough to remember '66 and all that, it is just the attitude of the so-called star players (e.g. Lampard, Rooney), Sven's stupidity in his last 2 years, and now McCarrot's ineptitude, that remind me of the dark days of Don Revie. When McCarrot was forced to leave out some of the so-called stars I think we played better. So for me, non-qualification and a radical rethink would be good.
Like you, BWFC all the way over England, but I do wish I could feel like I used to about England.
Anyway, we're going off topic.........
I would not want McCarrot as BWFC manager for sure.
Let's hope we appoint someone in October because McClaren will be availalbe at the end of November - he can take over Newcastle when they give SA the England job.
I remember when McLaren got the job and he was chatting to Andy Gray and Richard Keys before one of the games and Gray said 'Lets face it, you have an easy two years, you won't be judged on how good you are until the finals because its a certainty you'll qualify'. Oh dear.
In recent games McLaren has done really well and if they had held on today to that 1-0 lead then we would have qualified today. Its a fine line between success and failure.
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Mich Caine wrote: Drew wrote: Valderee wrote: Mich Caine wrote: Are you not a big England fan? Its no contest for me, I like Bolton a million times more than England, but these Euro finals are not the same if our nation aren't in it. Can you imagine if Scotland qualify from their group but we don't?
I used to be very keen - am old enough to remember '66 and all that, it is just the attitude of the so-called star players (e.g. Lampard, Rooney), Sven's stupidity in his last 2 years, and now McCarrot's ineptitude, that remind me of the dark days of Don Revie. When McCarrot was forced to leave out some of the so-called stars I think we played better. So for me, non-qualification and a radical rethink would be good.
Like you, BWFC all the way over England, but I do wish I could feel like I used to about England.
Anyway, we're going off topic.........
I would not want McCarrot as BWFC manager for sure.
Let's hope we appoint someone in October because McClaren will be availalbe at the end of November - he can take over Newcastle when they give SA the England job.
I remember when McLaren got the job and he was chatting to Andy Gray and Richard Keys before one of the games and Gray said 'Lets face it, you have an easy two years, you won't be judged on how good you are until the finals because its a certainty you'll qualify'. Oh dear.
In recent games McLaren has done really well and if they had held on today to that 1-0 lead then we would have qualified today. Its a fine line between success and failure.
You're spot on there.
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le god wrote: Phil Brown as much as i like the bloke would be garbage.
le god wrote: But we could be right... or wrong... about ANYONE.
Even Mourinho or Fergie could fail at bolton. I don't really understand why the posibility of Boothroyd failing is a minus for him taking over.
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Harry Genshaw wrote: le god wrote: Phil Brown as much as i like the bloke would be garbage.
le god wrote: But we could be right... or wrong... about ANYONE.
Even Mourinho or Fergie could fail at bolton. I don't really understand why the posibility of Boothroyd failing is a minus for him taking over.
lol errr yeah. The same goes for Phil Brown he could be amazing, he could be shit no one will ever know unless he gets the job. I think everyone would agree with me on that.
What i said doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on someone? were you supposed to be finding me out there or something lol?
that reply was in responce to someone saying "the reason we shouldn't have him is because he might be bad."
IMO Phil Brown couldn't cut it at this level... doesn't mean im right i just don't believe it.
I don't think Boothroyd is the right man either TBH, but i prefer him to some of the heaps of garbage that are being touted.
the problem with all the candiates are WE WILL NEVER KNOW how good they are at managing bolton unless they do... therfore all we can do now is speculate isn't it.
Am i missing something here?
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le god wrote: Harry Genshaw wrote: le god wrote: Phil Brown as much as i like the bloke would be garbage.
le god wrote: But we could be right... or wrong... about ANYONE.
Even Mourinho or Fergie could fail at bolton. I don't really understand why the posibility of Boothroyd failing is a minus for him taking over.
lol errr yeah. The same goes for Phil Brown he could be amazing, he could be shit no one will ever know unless he gets the job. I think everyone would agree with me on that.
What i said doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on someone? were you supposed to be finding me out there or something lol?
that reply was in responce to someone saying "the reason we shouldn't have him is because he might be bad."
IMO Phil Brown couldn't cut it at this level... doesn't mean im right i just don't believe it.
I don't think Boothroyd is the right man either TBH, but i prefer him to some of the heaps of garbage that are being touted.
the problem with all the candiates are WE WILL NEVER KNOW how good they are at managing bolton unless they do... therfore all we can do now is speculate isn't it.
Am i missing something here?
Lol. No I wasnt having a pop, but personally I think Brown could be ok. Like you say though, even if we get a proven manager its no guarantee they'll do a good job for us.
Somebody has to finish in the bottom 3. Just hope its not us.
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le god wrote: Harry Genshaw wrote: le god wrote: Phil Brown as much as i like the bloke would be garbage.
le god wrote: But we could be right... or wrong... about ANYONE.
Even Mourinho or Fergie could fail at bolton. I don't really understand why the posibility of Boothroyd failing is a minus for him taking over.
lol errr yeah. The same goes for Phil Brown he could be amazing, he could be shit no one will ever know unless he gets the job. I think everyone would agree with me on that.
What i said doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on someone? were you supposed to be finding me out there or something lol?
that reply was in responce to someone saying "the reason we shouldn't have him is because he might be bad."
IMO Phil Brown couldn't cut it at this level... doesn't mean im right i just don't believe it.
I don't think Boothroyd is the right man either TBH, but i prefer him to some of the heaps of garbage that are being touted.
the problem with all the candiates are WE WILL NEVER KNOW how good they are at managing bolton unless they do... therfore all we can do now is speculate isn't it.
Am i missing something here?
Very well said le god.
I too wouldn't even consider Phil Brown. Failed big time at Derby and Hull 15th in the championship, it hardly fills me with confidence that he can do it at this level.
We all have opinions on who we want and don't want, yet I don't see the need for some people to be getting really arsie over suggestions like Boothroyd who is clearly a pretty good manager. God knows what the reaction would be if someone suggested Carlton Palmer. Its all purely speculation.
I am really looking forward to seeing who we do appoint and when. I think Paul Jewell is an almost certainty for the job, he is available, he has a more than decent track record, he probably lives in the area, I can almost picture him at the Reebok. I would be pretty happy with Jewell, I don't think he is in Big Sam's class, I think Paul Jewell had plenty of funds at Wigan, he certainly won't get that sort of money at Bolton. If he does come, expect Arjan De Zeuw to be signed up in january. lol.
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Just read this little Golden Nugget on Sky Sports Website
Andy Walsh says...
"Gartside needs to think outside the box on this one he's done the right thing getting rid of Lee who had clearly lost the dressing room - we need to plan for next season with the squad we have we should stay up - Jewell or Coleman will do that but what about next season we need a man who will attract the best bosmans around and Jewell and Coleman won't do that - I say Luis Van Gall or Dick Advocaat can take the club forward beyond the Allardyce era"
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Is this the Andy Walsh off here?
Is He on Crack?
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Campos Barber wrote: Just read this little Golden Nugget on Sky Sports Website
Andy Walsh says...
"Gartside needs to think outside the box on this one he's done the right thing getting rid of Lee who had clearly lost the dressing room - we need to plan for next season with the squad we have we should stay up - Jewell or Coleman will do that but what about next season we need a man who will attract the best bosmans around and Jewell and Coleman won't do that - I say Luis Van Gall or Dick Advocaat can take the club forward beyond the Allardyce era"
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Is this the Andy Walsh off here?
Is He on Crack?
I think the answer to the first question is Yes and the second is too much Advocaat.
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Mich Caine wrote: le god wrote: Harry Genshaw wrote: le god wrote: Phil Brown as much as i like the bloke would be garbage.
le god wrote: But we could be right... or wrong... about ANYONE.
Even Mourinho or Fergie could fail at bolton. I don't really understand why the posibility of Boothroyd failing is a minus for him taking over.
lol errr yeah. The same goes for Phil Brown he could be amazing, he could be shit no one will ever know unless he gets the job. I think everyone would agree with me on that.
What i said doesn't mean people can't have an opinion on someone? were you supposed to be finding me out there or something lol?
that reply was in responce to someone saying "the reason we shouldn't have him is because he might be bad."
IMO Phil Brown couldn't cut it at this level... doesn't mean im right i just don't believe it.
I don't think Boothroyd is the right man either TBH, but i prefer him to some of the heaps of garbage that are being touted.
the problem with all the candiates are WE WILL NEVER KNOW how good they are at managing bolton unless they do... therfore all we can do now is speculate isn't it.
Am i missing something here?
Very well said le god.
I too wouldn't even consider Phil Brown. Failed big time at Derby and Hull 15th in the championship, it hardly fills me with confidence that he can do it at this level.
We all have opinions on who we want and don't want, yet I don't see the need for some people to be getting really arsie over suggestions like Boothroyd who is clearly a pretty good manager. God knows what the reaction would be if someone suggested Carlton Palmer. Its all purely speculation.
I am really looking forward to seeing who we do appoint and when. I think Paul Jewell is an almost certainty for the job, he is available, he has a more than decent track record, he probably lives in the area, I can almost picture him at the Reebok. I would be pretty happy with Jewell, I don't think he is in Big Sam's class, I think Paul Jewell had plenty of funds at Wigan, he certainly won't get that sort of money at Bolton. If he does come, expect Arjan De Zeuw to be signed up in january. lol.
i wouldn't complain when/if Jewell comes into the Reebok, he's a straight talking bloke, probably a fairly good motivator. Will he ruffle a few feathers though? thats my only worry... will he put up with Dioufy etc. I hope doesn't pull any power plays.
Carlton Palmer would be a good bet. Did a Brill job at stockport and was given the keys to the dump in mansfield.
Christ, i think i'd rather have Palmer than Reid or Ince.
did you see that thick prat Maccatears say Peter Reid would be a fan favourite? Not for me he wouldn't!!!
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Drew wrote: I think the answer to the first question is Yes and the second is too much Advocaat. Why is it I read that as some sort of Prison Lingo for something
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Campos Barber wrote: Drew wrote: I think the answer to the first question is Yes and the second is too much Advocaat. Why is it I read that as some sort of Prison Lingo for something Well, I haven't ever been in prison so I wouldn't know! 
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Drew wrote: Campos Barber wrote: Just read this little Golden Nugget on Sky Sports Website
Andy Walsh says...
"Gartside needs to think outside the box on this one he's done the right thing getting rid of Lee who had clearly lost the dressing room - we need to plan for next season with the squad we have we should stay up - Jewell or Coleman will do that but what about next season we need a man who will attract the best bosmans around and Jewell and Coleman won't do that - I say Luis Van Gall or Dick Advocaat can take the club forward beyond the Allardyce era"
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Is this the Andy Walsh off here?
Is He on Crack?
I think the answer to the first question is Yes and the second is too much Advocaat.
lol, that is excellent.
We may have had a chance to get Van Gall or however you spell his name back in the summer, but not now.
What are the chances do you think of us signing a foreign manager? Anyone like to see that? Wenger, Jol (before this season), Mourinho, Benitez, etc have all been a great success. What about someone like the Georgia coach who is currently beating Scotland. He is the same guy who used to be in charge of Bayer Leverkusen when they got to the final of the champions league I think I am right in saying. Bit of a risk mind you. But maybe we should consider managers from abroad?
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Drew wrote: Well, I haven't ever been in prison so I wouldn't know! Neither have I! What have you heard?
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Campos Barber wrote: Drew wrote: Well, I haven't ever been in prison so I wouldn't know! Neither have I! What have you heard? You said it 'sounded' like prison lingo so you must have heard some - or have you just been watching too much Prison Break again?
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Drew wrote: Campos Barber wrote: Drew wrote: Well, I haven't ever been in prison so I wouldn't know! Neither have I! What have you heard? You said it 'sounded' like prison lingo so you must have heard some - or have you just been watching too much Prison Break again? Oops Rumbled
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i think we need a manager with a big name who players will want to play for!
jus a quick question though!
was it houlier who signed diouf and anelka at liverpool??
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Cromy wrote: i think we need a manager with a big name who players will want to play for!
jus a quick question though!
was it houlier who signed diouf and anelka at liverpool??
Not 1 Hundred Percent certain, but think that he did, but at the same time, wasn't he also the Manager, that got rid of them. ??
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Cromy wrote: i think we need a manager with a big name who players will want to play for!
jus a quick question though!
was it houlier who signed diouf and anelka at liverpool??
Both of them hate Houllier. Houllier described Diouf as his worst ever signing and Anelka was bitter that Houllier decided not to sign him permanently.
I read Robbie Fowler's biography and he said Houllier was absolutely horrible man and was disliked by the players. Houllier is not right for Bolton, he could not work with limited funds.
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Mich Caine wrote: Houllier described Diouf as his worst ever signing and Anelka was bitter that Houllier decided not to sign him permanently.
Houllier? Dream Gerard? A Buffoon.
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BBC Manc reporting approaches made for permission to speak to both, Brum said no thankfully, hope Real Soc do the same.
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