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Drew wrote: Rory426 wrote: dickygreen wrote: It seems that Sammy was sacked without anybody lined up behind the scenes then?
It would seem so Makes the timing seem a little strange, so long after the last game, not that long til the next one, and nobody ready to take Sammy's place...
As I said earlier, or somewhere else anyway, maybe they only decided that it was time yesterday morning and once you have decided you can't just carry on as if you haven't but also go about lining someone else up. No-one would take the job under those circumstances.
May have been lengthy discussions since the Chelsea game, disicious such as these should take that long as far as im concerned and if they thought it was right at least they thought about it.
Its fair to say Bruce was definitely approached? Not the best move im not sure why we would go for someone in his position.
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I know there is a managers union and some understanding about not talking about a potential job while somebody is still in position, now Sammy's gone everybody we've approached can pipe up if they want
I can only assume we have already been knocked back by Jewell if we went for Bruce, he hasn't spoken yet but there are rumours he has already been offered a few clubs and knocked them back on the quiet.
Maybe he's hoping he gets the number 2 job at Liverpool before Sammy Lee
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le god wrote: Drew wrote: Rory426 wrote: dickygreen wrote: It seems that Sammy was sacked without anybody lined up behind the scenes then?
It would seem so Makes the timing seem a little strange, so long after the last game, not that long til the next one, and nobody ready to take Sammy's place...
As I said earlier, or somewhere else anyway, maybe they only decided that it was time yesterday morning and once you have decided you can't just carry on as if you haven't but also go about lining someone else up. No-one would take the job under those circumstances.
May have been lengthy discussions since the Chelsea game, disicious such as these should take that long as far as im concerned and if they thought it was right at least they thought about it.
Its fair to say Bruce was definitely approached? Not the best move im not sure why we would go for someone in his position.
Maybe they thought Bruce would jump rather than risk being pushed by the new Brun owners. I'm glad they said no to the approach.
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Rory426 wrote: Valderee wrote: I think I prefer LSL to Bruce. Coleman I could tolerate, just. Jewell, well, he'd do, but I wouldn't expect us to achieve much. Collins, don't know, no Prem experience. Boothroyd, I'm not convinced. As for the rest of the herd - Souness, Reid, Hoddle, Dowie, et al - I'd assume successive relegations to League One, or whatever old Div 3 is called these days. 
So who DO you want?
I really am not sure. As indicated, Jewell would do, as the most likely on the list to fit in and manage on a restricted budget. If he has said no already, I can understand why. I think I have a higher opinion of Sunbed than many but now is not the time. Can't be easy now for Gartside, he really should take his time and hope Archibald can stop the rot.
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Bruce?? Steve Bruce?? Why?? WTF?? Has he done anything, ever, anywhere? Managed quality players? Worked on a shoestring? Brum want rid cos he's done a shite job, why would we want their cast off's??
Ill tell you now. If Steve Bruce gets the job we're going down and I for one will never darken the door of the Reebok while that w4nker is in charge.
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Requests to talk to Coleman ruled out BWFC recieved a fax from his club.
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Salford White wrote: Bruce?? Steve Bruce?? Why?? WTF?? Has he done anything, ever, anywhere? Managed quality players? Worked on a shoestring? Brum want rid cos he's done a shite job, why would we want their cast off's??
Ill tell you now. If Steve Bruce gets the job we're going down and I for one will never darken the door of the Reebok while that w4nker is in charge.
lol this was uncannily similar to my 'outburst'
I really cannot understand the thinking, or lack of, behind going for that waster. Spent zillions and got knowhere! I would rather have some 'unknown' rather than someone who has only proved one thing..he is clueless!
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PG is now doing perhaps what he should have done in the summer rather than jumping in with both feet sammy Lee strapped to his back. OK this maybe hindsight and even I can't say it isn't so don't slap me..
But Sammy Lee should have been given the reigns in a caretaker mode then followed up with hand picking 7 or 8 key contenders to interview along with Sammy in the 1st two weeks after the end of the season... This is what top businesses do when recruiting for top roles.
This is hindsight and I did buy in to it fully at the time, we were too damned pre-occupied with the risk of losing a top notch coach by not giving him the job, we lacked professionalism at that point in time and it has cost us. Now we have to get it right else we pay the ultimate price.
We have lost the top notch coach, we are being mocked openly for being two bit, we seem to be trawling the depth of top, middle and bottom rung Managers (most I think are pure paper talk) PG and the board have to get this right and we don't have much time..
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Catte Strophe wrote: PG is now doing perhaps what he should have done in the summer rather than jumping in with both feet sammy Lee strapped to his back. OK this maybe hindsight and even I can't say it isn't so don't slap me..
But Sammy Lee should have been given the reigns in a caretaker mode then followed up with hand picking 7 or 8 key contenders to interview along with Sammy in the 1st two weeks after the end of the season... This is what top businesses do when recruiting for top roles.
This is hindsight and I did buy in to it fully at the time, we were too damned pre-occupied with the risk of losing a top notch coach by not giving him the job, we lacked professionalism at that point in time and it has cost us. Now we have to get it right else we pay the ultimate price.
We have lost the top notch coach, we are being mocked openly for being two bit, we seem to be trawling the depth of top, middle and bottom rung Managers (most I think are pure paper talk) PG and the board have to get this right and we don't have much time..
My position at the time was Sammy for the final 2 games and then search for a manager in the summer. Unless we won them 2 games 4-0, in which case sammy should have been offered the job.
That is hindsight, and once SL was appointed i thought it might be fairly pro-active.
Still i wasn't sure getting rid of him would change anything, simply because the managers that are avaliable are fairly poor. I wasn't impressed with SL on the whole but i wasn't TOTALLY against him that has to be said.
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Catte Strophe wrote: PG is now doing perhaps what he should have done in the summer rather than jumping in with both feet sammy Lee strapped to his back. OK this maybe hindsight and even I can't say it isn't so don't slap me..
But Sammy Lee should have been given the reigns in a caretaker mode then followed up with hand picking 7 or 8 key contenders to interview along with Sammy in the 1st two weeks after the end of the season... This is what top businesses do when recruiting for top roles.
This is hindsight and I did buy in to it fully at the time, we were too damned pre-occupied with the risk of losing a top notch coach by not giving him the job, we lacked professionalism at that point in time and it has cost us. Now we have to get it right else we pay the ultimate price.
We have lost the top notch coach, we are being mocked openly for being two bit, we seem to be trawling the depth of top, middle and bottom rung Managers (most I think are pure paper talk) PG and the board have to get this right and we don't have much time..
We would have had exactly the same problems in the summer. The situations of the people in the poll were all the saem back then as they are now. I'm not sure we could have attracted anyone different back then.
What do we have to offer?
1. Lukewarm fans who couldn't even repsond to the club during it's best period in a generation.
2. No sugar daddy so no prosepct of huge investment
3. UEFA Cup football and some good players - on the positive side of things
4. An academy that's starting to produce players
It needs a special person to take over the reins. I think PG realised that we would have trouble recruiting and looked at trying to continue what we had in place.
For one reason or another it didn't work.
But let's not kid ourselves that we would have been cherry picking the cream of european management back in the summer because it simply would not have happened.
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Nice to see you posting Andy.
I agree we wouldn't have any more choice than we have now had we looked around in the summer.
We will be getting a coach from the lower division at this rate, but that's better than Bruce or the other out of work ex managers being touted.
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I don't think the appointment of SL was in anyway a knee-jerk reaction. I think he had been appointed assistant with the intention of him eventually moving into the job. SA had been being touted for the England job for a long time and so PG had some expectation that he might lose him. SA also backed SL for the job.
Would things have been different if a) SA hadn't taken some key backroom staff with him and b) some other backroom staff hadn't fallen out with SL? We'll never know but my position is still that I thought the appointment in the first place was sensible and the ending of it was also sensible.
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I was not against the job being given to Sammy, IMHO we were starting to see improvement and maybe a little more time.. who knows, clearly the in-fighting forced the decision. I don't think it was knee jerk to appoint him, just not the most professional way of doing things, if he was the right man for the job then it would have shown during the interview (and trial stage).
I don't claim we would have had a better choice in the Summer, however we would have had 38 games to work through.
Did SA disrupt the harmony of the club by poaching the back room, to some extent for sure is it all his fault no. PG did Sammy no favours with all the nonsense about him being the better man, and being the main influence on the team some times silence is Golden.
We now have 29 games to go we need to make the right choice, there is every chance we will have the same points total come Monday morning.
Archie Knox is a good choice to stabilize in the short term, and hopefully the man that comes on board uses this experience in his future back room... Craig Brown ??
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Andy Walsh wrote: Catte Strophe wrote: PG is now doing perhaps what he should have done in the summer rather than jumping in with both feet sammy Lee strapped to his back. OK this maybe hindsight and even I can't say it isn't so don't slap me..
But Sammy Lee should have been given the reigns in a caretaker mode then followed up with hand picking 7 or 8 key contenders to interview along with Sammy in the 1st two weeks after the end of the season... This is what top businesses do when recruiting for top roles.
This is hindsight and I did buy in to it fully at the time, we were too damned pre-occupied with the risk of losing a top notch coach by not giving him the job, we lacked professionalism at that point in time and it has cost us. Now we have to get it right else we pay the ultimate price.
We have lost the top notch coach, we are being mocked openly for being two bit, we seem to be trawling the depth of top, middle and bottom rung Managers (most I think are pure paper talk) PG and the board have to get this right and we don't have much time..
We would have had exactly the same problems in the summer. The situations of the people in the poll were all the saem back then as they are now. I'm not sure we could have attracted anyone different back then.
What do we have to offer?
1. Lukewarm fans who couldn't even repsond to the club during it's best period in a generation.
2. No sugar daddy so no prosepct of huge investment
3. UEFA Cup football and some good players - on the positive side of things
4. An academy that's starting to produce players
It needs a special person to take over the reins. I think PG realised that we would have trouble recruiting and looked at trying to continue what we had in place.
For one reason or another it didn't work.
But let's not kid ourselves that we would have been cherry picking the cream of european management back in the summer because it simply would not have happened.
Thought you'd stopped posting? couldn't stay away eh.
Sure we wouldn't of been cherry picking Mourinho, but we would have without doubt had our choice of any current top championship manager or a number of top managers in the international scene. That is a given.
i would say 90% of managers want to ply their trade in the premiership regardles of club.
Paul Jewell remains the bookmakers' favourite while John Collins, Adrian Boothroyd and Gary Megson are other names mentioned as possible replacements for Lee.
GARY MEGSON???????????????????? Pile of absolute HORSE SHIT.
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le god wrot
Thought you'd stopped posting? couldn't stay away eh.
Sure we wouldn't of been cherry picking Mourinho, but we would have without doubt had our choice of any current top championship manager or a number of top managers in the international scene. That is a given.
i would say 90% of managers want to ply their trade in the premiership regardles of club.
Paul Jewell remains the bookmakers' favourite while John Collins, Adrian Boothroyd and Gary Megson are other names mentioned as possible replacements for Lee.
GARY MEGSON???????????????????? Pile of absolute HORSE SHIT.
Only stopped posting because I couldn't be bothered readign the same things posted on every thread by the same poster! Must be on holiday at the moment.
Anyway, not sure a Championship Manager is what we need.
The things is I have absolutely no idea what we need. We want someone with Prmeiership experience but no one who's crap. Well, that just about goes for any other amanger in the top flight apart from Fergusson, Wenger, Benitez and the recently departed special one. A foreign manager with no experience of the Prem would be a huge risk, as would a championship manager. We need soemone who will earn the respect of Anelka, Diouf etc. and I just can't see where we're going to get one from.
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Here's one for the debate.....
We are debating potential managers on the forum and getting through them at a fantastic rate of knots. Some because they don't want to come anyway and some because this forum dismisses them as rubbish.
We are dismissing both experienced and inexperienced managers and also those with no experience at all. It seems that the only type of manager that people would be truly happy with, id a Mourinho-type......and we all know that it isn't going to happen.
Yet we all want what is best for our club.
This is starting to make me thing that the biggest problem we had under Sammy Lee was everyone/everything around him. If there hadn't been so many distractions, if we hadn't lost half the backroom staff etc.etc. IMO, no matter who comes in, they are going to have to deal with an increasingly gobby chairman, a fragmented backroom staff, very little money to spend, and most worryingly, a small group of players who now think they are untouchable, and they can bully any manager that doesn't see it their way.
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le god wrote: GARY MEGSON???????????????????? Pile of absolute HORSE SHIT.
I used to live next door to him for a while when I lived a in Sheffield and he played for Wednesday. I jest not.
Nothing against the guy, but he isn't up to the job at Bolton.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Here's one for the debate.....
We are debating potential managers on the forum and getting through them at a fantastic rate of knots. Some because they don't want to come anyway and some because this forum dismisses them as rubbish.
We are dismissing both experienced and inexperienced managers and also those with no experience at all. It seems that the only type of manager that people would be truly happy with, id a Mourinho-type......and we all know that it isn't going to happen.
Yet we all want what is best for our club.
This is starting to make me thing that the biggest problem we had under Sammy Lee was everyone/everything around him. If there hadn't been so many distractions, if we hadn't lost half the backroom staff etc.etc. IMO, no matter who comes in, they are going to have to deal with an increasingly gobby chairman, a fragmented backroom staff, very little money to spend, and most worryingly, a small group of players who now think they are untouchable, and they can bully any manager that doesn't see it their way.
I generally judge people on their past records or their perceeved "promise"
i've ruled out any top "european" manager because that is laughable.
anyone who has done the rounds in the championship and achieved nothing e.g Megson, Ince etc are out for me.
Promising Championship managers would interest me, Boothroyd would be a massive gamble but may pay off...
Coleman i like.. simply because he's still young.. would probably have a good rapport with the players and likes good football... conversely his teams have a massive consistency problem.
Jewell.. i like BUT im not sure he's mentally all there and i'd also worry about him pulling power plays with Diouf and Anelka.
Bruce.. im totally against, granted he got birmingham out of the championship but with the money he's spent and the support he's got, he really should have consolidated them as a mid table prem side by now. He isn't good enough IMO.
Other than that, i honestly don't know who we should go for, but im against people who have done the rounds and are on the scrapheap, that includes people like megson, o leary, ince, coppel, REID.
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le god wrote: Boothroyd would be a massive gamble but may pay off... You said it yourself......too big a gamble for us. Coleman i like.. simply because he's still young.. would probably have a good rapport with the players and likes good football... conversely his teams have a massive consistency problem. May have what it takes........I like him. Jewell.. i like BUT im not sure he's mentally all there and i'd also worry about him pulling power plays with Diouf and Anelka. I've been against him all the way. Wigan's second season was awful and I don't think his heart is in it or his head is in the right place. Bruce.. im totally against, granted he got birmingham out of the championship but with the money he's spent and the support he's got, he really should have consolidated them as a mid table prem side by now. He isn't good enough IMO. I still think Bruce will have a good long managerial career. Of the managers being touted, he may tempt a few older stars to the club. Has he really got what it takes.....I don't know? the jury is still out.
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I'd take Mark Hughes but there is less chance of that than there is of Jose.
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http://www.football365.com/story/0,17033,8652_2809956,00.html
Bolton have had their approach for Leicester manager Gary Megson rejected by the Championship club.
Oh my god
and whats worse if you read Mandraich's (sp?) comments, it sounds to me like he thinks Megson fancies it.
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Now Leicester have turned down an approach from Bolton to talk to Megson.
This is like pass the parcel. The job is being touted around the football world. We will be a laughing stock.
So after Bruce, Coleman and Megson, we are now moving on to our (at least) 4th choice????
Marvellous!!! :hang:
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I've heard a vicious rumour Howard Wilkinson is being touted for the job............
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| Hasn't this got a bit like transfer rumours. Apparantly every manager who has a name has now been approached and every club has rebuffed it. Somehow I think most of this is paper talk - only Bruce has openly said there was an approach.
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This is Quality..
We will be the laughing stock... BUT Gartside is doing his business completely transparantly basically he is going through the official channels all very proper and exactly how the FA would like clubs to behave.
Of course the fact there is history (Notts County) where we allegedly took an alternative route, suspect PG values his place with the FA too much to go that way.
He is just testing the water, hopefully he is finding out if they would be willing to be interviewed, he will already have received applications from:
O'Leary, Souness, Reid, Aldridge and Hoddle or at least their agents..
It is a little naughty that the clubs, and of course the muppet Steve Bruce has then gone to the media to let them know we have been in contact..
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Catte Strophe wrote: ... he will already have received applications from:
O'Leary, Souness, Reid, Aldridge and Hoddle or at least their agents...
Well, in the cases of all but Reid, I would prefer their agents.
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MEGSOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNN???????????????????????????
hang on.... hang on... Sweet i've got my tickets for ipswich next season.. who else is coming?
If Megson is installed Gartside should go without question. Talk about a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKwards step.
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Im very, very worried by these rumours if they are true, as it shows that we are shoping in the bargain basement and expecting to go down, why else would you want a Championship manager?? Critically, it shows that Gartside lacks ambition for the club and I have to now wonder whether Anelka's comments about the club needing to sell him becuase we needed the money were founded in reality.
If the club Chairman had any ambition we'd be approaching Ranieri or Queros. Worryingly, the papers are even mentioning the likes of O'Leary and given the fact that Jewell has buggered off to Dubai yesterday and we are being knocked back by other clubs for their second rate managers, the only candidates left are those currently out of work.
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