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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 12:35 pm |
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| Man U fans go very quiet when they are losing at Old Trafford.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 08:23 pm |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Man U fans go very quiet when they are losing at Old Trafford.
sadly not often enough
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 08:35 pm |
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all seater stadiums are shit
the atmosphere at Burnden with 6000 on pissed all over the reebok with 26000 on
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 08:54 pm |
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Cowdrill wrote: all seater stadiums are shit
the atmosphere at Burnden with 6000 on pissed all over the reebok with 26000 on
No it didn't. It was still crap. You could almost have conversations across the pitch it was that quiet. However, on the good nights, it was a fantastic atmosphere. But then, so is the Reebok. The United game this season had a fantastic atmosphere - equal to anything I experienced at Burnden.
So why can't we do that every week?
Look at Pompey. Used to be renowned as a loud stadium when they were first promoted. Now, some of their fans are even despairing of the atmosphere.
I was there in 1997 when we beat them 3-0 and the atmosphere was awful.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 08:55 pm |
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| went to pompey last season, atmosphere was suberb... best i've experienced in recent years.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 09:03 pm |
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Andy Walsh wrote: Cowdrill wrote: all seater stadiums are shit
the atmosphere at Burnden with 6000 on pissed all over the reebok with 26000 on
No it didn't. It was still crap. You could almost have conversations across the pitch it was that quiet. However, on the good nights, it was a fantastic atmosphere. But then, so is the Reebok. The United game this season had a fantastic atmosphere - equal to anything I experienced at Burnden.
sure it wasnt always great
but i remember being stood on the paddock with 8 or 9 thousand in and the atmos being fookin electric
the noise was literally deafening
and thats no exaggeration
cos i remember putting my fingers into my ears sometimes to see if i could drown out the noise - and you literally couldnt!
this isnt rose tinted nostalgia bollox - its a fact
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 09:10 pm |
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Cowdrill wrote: sure it wasnt always great
but i remember being stood on the paddock with 8 or 9 thousand in and the atmos being fookin electric
the noise was literally deafening
and thats no exaggeration
cos i remember putting my fingers into my ears sometimes to see if i could drown out the noise - and you literally couldnt!
this isnt rose tinted nostalgia bollox - its a fact
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 09:46 pm |
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le god wrote: went to pompey last season, atmosphere was suberb... best i've experienced in recent years.
But if you go on a lot of the Pompey boards, they're saying that the atmosphere is getting worse. Now, is that because their fans are getting complacent? They've been in the Prem for a good few years now and they're getting used to it? I've got a lot of mates who are pompey fans (having lived there for 4 years) and they say the same - not as good as it was when they were first promoted.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 09:51 pm |
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Andy Walsh wrote: But if you go on a lot of the Pompey boards, they're saying that the atmosphere is getting worse. Now, is that because their fans are getting complacent?
Thats one element to it. The same reason why a game at The Reebok against say, Man City or Everton wouldnt generate the atmosphere it did in our first year in the Prem.
On the whole though, the atmopsphere everywhere is down and I think all seater stadia is too blame.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 09:57 pm |
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Andy Walsh wrote: le god wrote: went to pompey last season, atmosphere was suberb... best i've experienced in recent years.
But if you go on a lot of the Pompey boards, they're saying that the atmosphere is getting worse. Now, is that because their fans are getting complacent? They've been in the Prem for a good few years now and they're getting used to it? I've got a lot of mates who are pompey fans (having lived there for 4 years) and they say the same - not as good as it was when they were first promoted.
Perhaps, as i say i've only been to fratton park twice the first time i can't remember because it was horrific 4-0 or something but the atmosphere did stick with me.
I've been to plenty of grounds and the atmosphere at the reebok is not the best... but it's not the worst either...
the fact we have no atmosphere is because we have no fans and the stadium is empty... go figure!
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 09:58 pm |
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Harry Genshaw wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: But if you go on a lot of the Pompey boards, they're saying that the atmosphere is getting worse. Now, is that because their fans are getting complacent?
Thats one element to it. The same reason why a game at The Reebok against say, Man City or Everton wouldnt generate the atmosphere it did in our first year in the Prem.
On the whole though, the atmopsphere everywhere is down and I think all seater stadia is too blame.
Someone on the radio the other day was saying that if you take the danger element away from football, you will lose the atmosphere. Maybe we need to have trouble on the terraces to create an atmsopshere. Maybe we need away fans to be throwing things at Lofty. Maybe by taking away the opportunity for fighting on a saturday afternoon, we've hit the atmosphere?
I have no idea what crowd noises where like in the 1950s, before hooliganism hit football. The furthest I go back is the 70s and loud crowds baying at each other.
Having said that, I'm totally against standing in any format at a football stadium. I simply wouldn't take the kids, even if I were in a sitting area. It would be a disaster for families.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 10:51 pm |
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Andy Walsh wrote: Harry Genshaw wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: But if you go on a lot of the Pompey boards, they're saying that the atmosphere is getting worse. Now, is that because their fans are getting complacent?
Thats one element to it. The same reason why a game at The Reebok against say, Man City or Everton wouldnt generate the atmosphere it did in our first year in the Prem.
On the whole though, the atmopsphere everywhere is down and I think all seater stadia is too blame.
Someone on the radio the other day was saying that if you take the danger element away from football, you will lose the atmosphere. Maybe we need to have trouble on the terraces to create an atmsopshere. Maybe we need away fans to be throwing things at Lofty. Maybe by taking away the opportunity for fighting on a saturday afternoon, we've hit the atmosphere?
I have no idea what crowd noises where like in the 1950s, before hooliganism hit football. The furthest I go back is the 70s and loud crowds baying at each other.
Having said that, I'm totally against standing in any format at a football stadium. I simply wouldn't take the kids, even if I were in a sitting area. It would be a disaster for families.
Why would standing in certain parts be a disaster for families? Surely there is room for standing and seating?
How bad can standing be? They manage quite well at other sports.
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 11:05 pm |
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two hoots wrote: How bad can standing be?
Hillsborough?
unfortunately the government took a sledge hammer to the problem - rather than looking at it calmly
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Posted: Thu Jan 3rd, 2008 11:38 pm |
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Here in Melbourne we have sections that stand and sing through out the game, those of us in the northern stand are the main group and the south end was also quite full and loud, now they have made the southern end away fans only the atmosphere has become a lot deader, it just does not carry all the away around.
Pretty much all families go on the sides of the pitch and the standing groups go behind the goals, we are trying to get the new stadium built for us and melbourne storm rugby league club to have removable seats at either end so there is extra standing room for when we play our home games there.
But as one said, you need the club to have a section where people can go to stand and sing the whole game without blocking other peoples views, you cant replicate the same atmosphere sitting down.
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Andy Walsh wrote: Someone on the radio the other day was saying that if you take the danger element away from football, you will lose the atmosphere. I think theres some truth in that oddly enough. The best atmospheres are invariably at games where there are two sets of noisy opposing supporters trading songs and insults.
Having said that, I'm totally against standing in any format at a football stadium. I simply wouldn't take the kids, even if I were in a sitting area. It would be a disaster for families.
I dont understand why you wouldnt want to sit in a part of a ground with your kids, while people stood in another part? Surely it would be no different than taking them to say the Trafford Centre, or any such place where there were large groups of people standing and sitting in the vaccinity?
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 05:01 pm |
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| how can you lot go on about over fans bein quiet, at least they turn up. you lot never turn up unless its a big team not even in europe do you turn up
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 05:08 pm |
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blade4life wrote: how can you lot go on about over fans bein quiet, at least they turn up. you lot never turn up unless its a big team not even in europe do you turn up Its like you with English lessons. We don't always bother to turn up.
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Harry Genshaw wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: Someone on the radio the other day was saying that if you take the danger element away from football, you will lose the atmosphere. I think theres some truth in that oddly enough. The best atmospheres are invariably at games where there are two sets of noisy opposing supporters trading songs and insults.
Having said that, I'm totally against standing in any format at a football stadium. I simply wouldn't take the kids, even if I were in a sitting area. It would be a disaster for families.
I dont understand why you wouldnt want to sit in a part of a ground with your kids, while people stood in another part? Surely it would be no different than taking them to say the Trafford Centre, or any such place where there were large groups of people standing and sitting in the vaccinity?
My Grandad didn't stand in the noisy part of the stadium but that didn't stop him nearly losing his life when a bunch of thugs caused a swell of movement in the terracing. Seventy years of watching virtually every home match and he never went back again. Sitting in the stands didn't stop me from having to run away from a bunch of hooligans on at least four occasions when I was little. On two of those occasions I was running away from Bolton fans!!!
You can't police standing like you can seats. It's not possible. Bring back standing and you'll bring back the knobs that we've spent years getting rid of.
I guarantee it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 05:21 pm |
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I used to stand at Burnden at times, and I was younger than 10. Sometimes my Grandma used to come with us and shes under 5ft. Never was it a problem, although it wasnt often so I may have been lucky. To me the atmosphere was ace at Burnden, perhaps it was because I was so young. However, I remember fans singing and chanting a lot more and the build up to the games being better. Lofty throwing pies back at the away fans (was it West Brom or similar?) - cant get better than that!
Last few seasons in West Upper - no one sings. A few try but it doesnt take off. East Lower is far better for that.
I do agree that seating is safer - you dont get people surging etc but perhaps it was over reaction to ban it comlpetely. Its interesting to see how the Germans manage it.
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Posted: Fri Jan 4th, 2008 05:22 pm |
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| wat thats ur reply then havin ago at me about somthing else
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blade4life wrote: wat thats ur reply then havin ago at me about somthing else
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i got injured in a crush at bath citys ground when we played bristol rovers. I am of the opinion that the police and officials are not good enough to prevent a disaster.
The atmosphere at burneden was good , not because of the standing... but the songs we sang. We still sing the same ones at The reebok..minus the ones about the players,,, bvecause none of them are fit for a song.
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| You have to have seating only in grounds, if there were standing areas there would always be a balloon who would start pushing and creating a crush, bad enough for aduls but potentially fatal for children. Atmosphere varys from game to game, doesn't depend on score line either, depend on entertainig play and that mystical something you can't put your finger on. A fullish ground for home games would be nice though.
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louie wrote: You have to have seating only in grounds, if there were standing areas there would always be a balloon who would start pushing and creating a crush, bad enough for aduls but potentially fatal for children. Atmosphere varys from game to game, doesn't depend on score line either, depend on entertainig play and that mystical something you can't put your finger on. A fullish ground for home games would be nice though.
yes but i stood on the terraces at Burnden for nearly 10 years and never saw the slightest hint of a problem with pushing or crushing
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Cowdrill wrote: louie wrote: You have to have seating only in grounds, if there were standing areas there would always be a balloon who would start pushing and creating a crush, bad enough for aduls but potentially fatal for children. Atmosphere varys from game to game, doesn't depend on score line either, depend on entertainig play and that mystical something you can't put your finger on. A fullish ground for home games would be nice though.
yes but i stood on the terraces at Burnden for nearly 10 years and never saw the slightest hint of a problem with pushing or crushing
That's because everytime it happened, you started it  
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| my point is that is isnt really the fans who cause it in my opinion, its the officials. At hillsboro it was the ticketing and too many people in the stand, at Bath they let too many people in one stand. We all saw the steards and police wade in at the aris fans.
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I don't think the probem is seating per se, the problem came in moving stadium. This was then compounded by seating - in a standing area you can move about so the singers will congregate. This can't happen in an all seater stadium - without some proper coordination form the club.
We need one part of the stadium to be designated the singing part. This then ensures that there is a body of people who together will start the singing. People who want to be in this area can then ensure they buy their season/tickets fr that area.
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| who th fockin hell our u.lol u was shit mate
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| Are you 12 Blade or can you only write in playground text speak? You're more than welcome on here, anyone is, but at least write something that makes sense.
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