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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 10:14 am |
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bdi wrote: Don't know how true, but according to Tribal Football, Jussi has been offered a new 4 year contract.
Personally, would like him to sign, seeing the way that Harrison touts our Goalkeepers about. Would feel better knowing that we have at least got one of our positions filled. Would still also like Al Habsi to sign a new contract.
Well, my priority would be to tie down Al Habsi first, he is the present and the future. He deserves his chance now to be our number one. Jussi on the other hand is getting on a bit and wouldn't commit to the club last summer. Is his heart still at the club? If he signs a new deal won't it be only because no one else has come in for him?
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 10:45 am |
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Jussi has just turned 33, and like most top class goalkeepers are at the age where they are coming to their peak.
Jussi's contract ends at the end of this month, whilst Al Habsi, still has another year left. So IMO, Jussi is the main priority, in the goalkeeping stakes.
If Jussi does sign, then there is plenty of time to work on a contract with Al Habsi, who I do believe should be given his chances, and he is also definitely one for the future.
Jussi still has at least 3 more years in him, of giving top class performances.
IMO, currently, at this moment in time, Jussi is the better of the two goalkeepers. In the future, I believe that Al Habsi will be classed as the better, if both goalkeepers are compared with each other.
But then again, that is just my personal opinion, and everyones personal opinions can differ.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 10:51 am |
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bdi wrote: Jussi has just turned 33, and like most top class goalkeepers are at the age where they are coming to their peak.
Jussi's contract ends at the end of this month, whilst Al Habsi, still has another year left. So IMO, Jussi is the main priority, in the goalkeeping stakes.
If Jussi does sign, then there is plenty of time to work on a contract with Al Habsi, who I do believe should be given his chances, and he is also definitely one for the future.
Jussi still has at least 3 more years in him, of giving top class performances.
IMO, currently, at this moment in time, Jussi is the better of the two goalkeepers. In the future, I believe that Al Habsi will be classed as the better, if both goalkeepers are compared with each other.
But then again, that is just my personal opinion, and everyones personal opinions can differ.
Jussi was very very ordinary last season, whilst Al Habsi was outstanding. Al Habsi IMO looks to be just different class, one of the safest and best keepers I have seen. Every game he was awesome - from Bayern Munich to Middlesbrough. You say there is plenty of time to sort out his new contract but there isn't. With 6 months of his contract to go he can speak to other clubs. Also, if we are offering a 4 year deal to Jussi, doesn't this basically show Al Habsi that Jussi is still number one? Al Habsi won't sign if he is going to sit on the bench week in week out.
Al Habsi should definitely be the priority signing. If he was given a 4 year deal and was our number one and plays next season like he did this, he would be worth £10m next year. Jussi is worth nothing now. It is just foolish to not tie up Habsi right now.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 11:01 am |
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All the rumours going around earlier this year, was that Al Habsi wanted to buy out the remainder of his contract. Jussi has never said that he wanted to leave.
None us know what happens behind closed doors, and we all speculate as to what is happening.
Too many rumours going around at the time, and with Harrison always spouting his mouth off, who know what the difference is between truths, rumours and lies. I certainly don't
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 11:08 am |
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bdi wrote: All the rumours going around earlier this year, was that Al Habsi wanted to buy out the remainder of his contract. Jussi has never said that he wanted to leave.
None us know what happens behind closed doors, and we all speculate as to what is happening.
Too many rumours going around at the time, and with Harrison always spouting his mouth off, who know what the difference is between truths, rumours and lies. I certainly don't
Yeah but Al Habsi couldn't get a game for love nor money. Do you blame him for wanting to do that? He is a talented keeper and to keep sitting on the bench must do his head in, when he knows how talented he is and wants to be playing.
I kind of think Habsi saying he wanted to buy out his contract shows he has ambition and doesn't want to just take the money. He is hungry and has a desire to play and do well.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 11:12 am |
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Mich Caine wrote:
Jussi was very very ordinary last season, whilst Al Habsi was outstanding. Al Habsi IMO looks to be just different class, one of the safest and best keepers I have seen.
Easy to say, but look at the cr@p defence Jussi had in front of him, before the January Transfer window closed.
The majority of Al Habsi's game came after the Transfer window, in which we had a solid defence.
Swings and Roundabouts.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 11:44 am |
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| no... he played in munich with a second string... He commands... Thats his stregnth
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 11:50 am |
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Before Jan goals Conceeded - 38
After Jan Goals Conceeded - 25
Defence got better as you say but Solid it was not.
i think one of the main reason we stopped shipping goals was because of Al Habsi...
Jussi made a couple of errors early in the season and looked elsewhere for much of the campaign.. thats not to say i don't think he is a superb goalkeeper just that this season was one of the worst i'd seen for him, all round.
For me the time for Al Habsi has come now, but hey if we get to keep Jussi i won't be crying.
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Its not that Jussi conceded more goals, he was making a lot of errors last season. The Liverpool home game which was after the transfer window he let in a ridiculous goal. Jussi's kicking this season was really poor this last season and he just looked a very average keeper. A lot of people thought Jussi looked disinterested and a shadow of his old self.
Al Habsi had some superb games where he was winning man of the match on our polls almost every single week.
The fact is that Jussi is available right now for nothing, and it seems like no one even wants to take him on a free. What does that tell you?
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 11:54 am |
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urquhs wrote: no... he played in munich with a second string... He commands... Thats his stregnth
I know, was at the game. Nowhere in all of this have I knocked Al Habsi back. Was just mentioning the rumour that Jussi has been offered a 4 year contract, and personally I would be happy if he accepted it.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 12:01 pm |
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bdi wrote: urquhs wrote: no... he played in munich with a second string... He commands... Thats his stregnth
I know, was at the game. Nowhere in all of this have I knocked Al Habsi back. Was just mentioning the rumour that Jussi has been offered a 4 year contract, and personally I would be happy if he accepted it.
But you said you would prioritise signing up Jussi and you rate him as a better keeper and that Habsi's new deal can wait.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 12:09 pm |
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Mich Caine wrote: bdi wrote: urquhs wrote: no... he played in munich with a second string... He commands... Thats his stregnth
I know, was at the game. Nowhere in all of this have I knocked Al Habsi back. Was just mentioning the rumour that Jussi has been offered a 4 year contract, and personally I would be happy if he accepted it.
But you said you would prioritise signing up Jussi and you rate him as a better keeper and that Habsi's new deal can wait.
Said that Jussi's contract runs out in 24 days, Al Habsi's runs out in a years time, IMO the priority is the one with 24 days left over someone who has 389 days left.
Also said if comparing both goalkeepers, in the future Al Habsi will probably be classed as the better out of the two.
My Personal opinion, and mine alone, Is I think that Jussi is better at this current period in time.
The voting at the top of this page shows 37 for Al Habsi and 5 for Jussi. If everyone was the same then there would be 42 votes for one player only.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 12:15 pm |
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| My worry if Jussi re-signs, is that we lose Ali. Neither of these boys want to be reserve keeper and Jussi's agent will be pushing for Jussi (in the first instance) to be given a contract that reflects his No.1 status. That will be the nail in the coffin for Ali. The one person that can't lose is their agent.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 12:24 pm |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: My worry if Jussi re-signs, is that we lose Ali. Neither of these boys want to be reserve keeper and Jussi's agent will be pushing for Jussi (in the first instance) to be given a contract that reflects his No.1 status. That will be the nail in the coffin for Ali. The one person that can't lose is their agent.
and in that instance i, like the majority here, would go for ali any day. as good if not better than jussi with youth on his side.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 12:31 pm |
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Mark08 wrote: Billy Bradshaw wrote: My worry if Jussi re-signs, is that we lose Ali. Neither of these boys want to be reserve keeper and Jussi's agent will be pushing for Jussi (in the first instance) to be given a contract that reflects his No.1 status. That will be the nail in the coffin for Ali. The one person that can't lose is their agent.
and in that instance i, like the majority here, would go for ali any day. as good if not better than jussi with youth on his side.
Agreed. Particularly since Jussi will probably opt for 2 years again (unless he feels this is his last chance for a big pay day) and in 12 months, his agent will be threatening that Jussi will leave. We may then have lost Ali, and we'd be in shit street. If Jussi re-signs and Ali is still here at the start of the season, I reckon he (Ali) will give it muntil January to try and cement his first team place.
Jussi's a good guy, but having watched him this season, i think he needs a new challenge. That will be good for him and good for us.
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Posted: Fri Jun 6th, 2008 01:14 pm |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: My worry if Jussi re-signs, is that we lose Ali. Neither of these boys want to be reserve keeper and Jussi's agent will be pushing for Jussi (in the first instance) to be given a contract that reflects his No.1 status. That will be the nail in the coffin for Ali. The one person that can't lose is their agent.
Agree Billy. Trouble is we have to make one of them our first team Goalkeeper, otherwise with Harrison about, we could lose both. Whichever way it goes, we have every possibility of losing a very very good Keeper.
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| How often is it that we have the pleasure of actually chosing between 2 players that we would really like to be playing for the team??? Neither one would be seen as a poor second choice cos we couldnt get the first one. We will only be unhappy if we lose both of them.
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I've only just had a chance to read this thread and I am amazed at how quickly you all want to cast aside Jussi. Jusssi is not perfect but he has been pretty damn consistent over 10 years and has at least another 3 in him. Al Habsi, on the other hand, has been pretty good for a little over 10 matches. To me that shows his promise but does not make him the new messiah.
I would choose Jussi first and Al Habsi second.
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Drew wrote: I've only just had a chance to read this thread and I am amazed at how quickly you all want to cast aside Jussi. Jusssi is not perfect but he has been pretty damn consistent over 10 years and has at least another 3 in him. Al Habsi, on the other hand, has been pretty good for a little over 10 matches. To me that shows his promise but does not make him the new messiah.
I would choose Jussi first and Al Habsi second.
Assuming we......
1. are building a team for the future.
2. are wanting a keeper to sign long-term.
3. can NOT keep both keepers happy (surely Ali will expect 1st team footy next season?)
4. don't want the players (Jussi) agent getting him to sign a two year contract and then demanding more money every 12 months.
5. want a keeper who is not only a great shot-stopper, but commands his box brilliantly.
......then Al Habsi is the best choice.
But you have made a similar assumption to others here Drew. It's not about casting Jussi aside. It's highly unlikely that either keeper will settle for warming the bench. that would probably be Ali and if he can't force his way into the firt team by January, he'll be off. Jussi will sign his usual two year contract and then by the Summer, his winker of an agent will say he wants to leave. Unless of course, he tells Jussi he is better off (now he's older) getting a bumper contract from Bolton to see his career out. This is my prediction.....that Jussi will stun us all with a 'commitment' to see his career out at the Reebok.
Jussi is still good enough to get in most PL teams, but although he still had a decent season, he looked a little more vulnerable than in previous seasons. Ali on the other hand, is as good a shot-stopper as Jussi, but commands his box (and kicks) so much better. The defenders seem more comfortable with Ali than Jussi.....but that's just my opinion.
IMO, there's very little to choose between the two. There are 3 things that shade it for Ali (for me anyway). His command of the box, his kicking, and the fact that he has more years ahead of him than Jussi.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Drew wrote: I've only just had a chance to read this thread and I am amazed at how quickly you all want to cast aside Jussi. Jusssi is not perfect but he has been pretty damn consistent over 10 years and has at least another 3 in him. Al Habsi, on the other hand, has been pretty good for a little over 10 matches. To me that shows his promise but does not make him the new messiah.
I would choose Jussi first and Al Habsi second.
Assuming we......
1. are building a team for the future.
2. are wanting a keeper to sign long-term.
3. can NOT keep both keepers happy (surely Ali will expect 1st team footy next season?)
4. don't want the players (Jussi) agent getting him to sign a two year contract and then demanding more money every 12 months.
5. want a keeper who is not only a great shot-stopper, but commands his box brilliantly.
......then Al Habsi is the best choice.
But you have made a similar assumption to others here Drew. It's not about casting Jussi aside. It's highly unlikely that either keeper will settle for warming the bench. that would probably be Ali and if he can't force his way into the firt team by January, he'll be off. Jussi will sign his usual two year contract and then by the Summer, his winker of an agent will say he wants to leave. Unless of course, he tells Jussi he is better off (now he's older) getting a bumper contract from Bolton to see his career out. This is my prediction.....that Jussi will stun us all with a 'commitment' to see his career out at the Reebok.
Jussi is still good enough to get in most PL teams, but although he still had a decent season, he looked a little more vulnerable than in previous seasons. Ali on the other hand, is as good a shot-stopper as Jussi, but commands his box (and kicks) so much better. The defenders seem more comfortable with Ali than Jussi.....but that's just my opinion.
IMO, there's very little to choose between the two. There are 3 things that shade it for Ali (for me anyway). His command of the box, his kicking, and the fact that he has more years ahead of him than Jussi.
Aren't you making quite a few assumptions yourself?
Isn't Jussi now at what is regarded as a peak age for a goal keeper. If that is true then surely we should now be reaping the benefits of having built for the future with Jussi. I agree that Al Habsi appears to command the box better but am not completely convinced on the kicking front.
The other key thing for me is this: we know how good Jussi is and if he signs a deal we can be pretty sure he will stay. If Al Habsi is anywhere near as good as he looks like he might be then we probably won't keep him more than another year because top class keepers are ver few and far between and we don't have the money to keep him.
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| I suppose I am. I wouldn't be disappointed with either of them. Jussi should be at his peak, although there were more errors last season.....or so it seemed.
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Jussi Jaaskelainen has verbally agreed a three-year deal to stay at Bolton rather than join Aston Villa. (The Sun)
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 08:20 am |
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| Has Jussi actually been offered anything by Villa??
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In an ideal world I want both to stay.
I hope Jussi re-signing doesnt mean the end of Al Habsi.
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Posted: Mon Jun 9th, 2008 08:47 am |
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D1OUFY wrote: In an ideal world I want both to stay.
I hope Jussi re-signing doesnt mean the end of Al Habsi.
Totally Agree, could not find the article in this mornings "The Sun". IMO, Jussi's family life and his childrens schooling will be a big deciding factor, as to what Jussi does. Cannot see him wanting to disrupt his childrens schooling myself.
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to settle the argument lets let both go for free and have ian walker as our number 1
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"verbally signed".
Shut up Harrison and stop turning your player into a tart. No way would this comment come from either player or club.
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Al Habsi has supposedly been offered an improved deal to keep him at The Reebok for another 4 years, in the wake of interest in him by Hull Boss Phil Brown.
Would be good to keep both Goalkeepers, but the position would have to run on a rotational basis to keep both happy IMO.
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