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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 11:31 am |
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bdi wrote: Al Habsi has supposedly been offered an improved deal to keep him at The Reebok for another 4 years, in the wake of interest in him by Hull Boss Phil Brown.
Would be good to keep both Goalkeepers, but the position would have to run on a rotational basis to keep both happy IMO.
If they both sign, I'd expect tp lose one of them in January.
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| Yeah but presumeably would be the one that's not playing - i.e. if you have any faith in the manager's judgement (cue replies ad infinitum...) - the least convincing of the two.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 07:42 pm |
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lets lie to them and tell them both they'd be number 1....
I understand about form for keepers but surely there will be times that Habsi will cope better against certain teams than Jussi and vice versa. Jussi collects the ball well from crosses and would do well against a side that like to get down the wings, Al Habsi has good distribution of the ball and if we're gonna play counter attacking or against a side that will pump the ball up the pitch often to be kicked back by our keeper. We could in effect use the keepers more cleverly than other teams and look to forming a partnership between them.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 08:01 pm |
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Al Habsi should be told he is our number one and should be offered a 4 year contract at £20,000 a week. End of discussion, end of post.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 08:10 pm |
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I wouldn't put it quite like Mich, but i do agree with his sentiments. Rotation won't work and won't happen. If Jussi signs, Ali will only play in the cup games and when Jussi is injured.
If i were Ali......I'd sod off somewhere else.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:06 pm |
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i think our fans have got very short memories
al habsi has half a dozen good games and some of us cant wait to fk Jussi off out the door
he has been superb for BWFC and he is still one of the best keepers in the Prem - but it seems his service for nearly the last decade has been forgotten in a heartbeat
funny how campo (who has been bollocks for most of his bolton career) writes a soppy over dramatic letter and its got most of you lot crying like girls
yet Jussi, who has been a legend and one of the best goal keepers ever to play for this club is being treated with about as much respect as harold shipman
thanks for nothing Jussi - now fk off and shut the door behind you!
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:24 pm |
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You miss the point Cowdrill. Not sure if it's on purpose or not? Nobody is rubbishing Jussi or dismissing his contribution.
How many times has it been said on here that certain people want to keep a player out of sentiment? But that's what you're bringing into this....sentiment. This is about taking a cold hard look at the best option for the club. I've gone on record to say that I think Ali commands his box better than Jussi and he has more years ahead of him. I also said that I'd be happy with either of them. In what way have I or anyone else been disrespectful?
Have we ever shied away from discussing these things? Look at Ped.....the guy gave everything for us, but it was ok for people to rubbish him because he wasn't that good a player. In fact, some of the bile aimed towards Ped was a disgraceful, for a player who only ever did his best for us.
But mention releasing a good player and we are being disrespectful? 
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:27 pm |
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Cowdrill wrote: i think our fans have got very short memories
al habsi has half a dozen good games and some of us cant wait to fk Jussi off out the door
he has been superb for BWFC and he is still one of the best keepers in the Prem - but it seems his service for nearly the last decade has been forgotten in a heartbeat
funny how campo (who has been rollocks for most of his bolton career) writes a soppy over dramatic letter and its got most of you lot crying like girls
yet Jussi, who has been a legend and one of the best goal keepers ever to play for this club is being treated with about as much respect as harold shipman
thanks for nothing Jussi - now fk off and shut the door behind you!
Cowdrill, get a piece of paper and a pen.
Jussi turned down the offer of a new contract at least twice. Last season he was very ordinary. He is 6 years older than Al Habsi. His heart no longer seems to be at the club, he clearly wants to move on.
Al Habsi on the other hand has come into the first team and been absolutely superb, not one mistake, he made save after save, the safest hands you could wish for. He can only get better with more experience and has many years ahead of him and has a hunger to be our number one, he deserve to be our number one.
Jussi has been superb for us over the years, but Cowdrill, football moves on. If it was up to you we'd still have John McGinlay up front. Times change Cowdrill, maybe you don't like change. Maybe you still use a type writer and watch films on betamax and drive a Capri. Move with the times Cowdrill.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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Without a doubt, Jussi seemed distracted last season. Was it because he had his eye on a move....we'll never know? But I think it's significant that he suddenly, after all these years, seems willing to sign a long-term contract? You can say what you like about his agent, but he's got his head screwed on! 
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:32 pm |
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This is getting boring now,jussi deserves better than this,cowdrill is right,the man stayed with us and looks like staying longer i like him, always have ,he,s a great keeper and we will have done well to keep him,mich seems to have a thing about habsi?. Habsi has a bit to do yet, so he should stay and challenge jussi thru next season he,ll get it eventually if not so be it. long live jussi
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:36 pm |
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Tweek wrote: This is getting boring now,jussi deserves better than this,cowdrill is right,the man stayed with us and looks like staying longer i like him, always have ,he,s a great keeper and we will have done well to keep him,mich seems to have a thing about habsi?. Habsi has a bit to do yet, so he should stay and challenge jussi thru next season he,ll get it eventually if not so be it. long live jussi
Let's keep Campo as well then. He's been here a while!! 
You can spin this all you like, but trying to turn this into an attack on Jussi isn't working....because nobody is attacking him. It's a debate about the best way forward for the club.
If you want to debate why we should keep Jussi as No. 1.....fine, let's do it. But can we stop this silly stance of treating any comment that doesn't adorn Jussi with god-like status as an attack on a player that we've all admired over the last few years?
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:37 pm |
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Tweek wrote: This is getting boring now,jussi deserves better than this,cowdrill is right,the man stayed with us and looks like staying longer i like him, always have ,he,s a great keeper and we will have done well to keep him,mich seems to have a thing about habsi?. Habsi has a bit to do yet, so he should stay and challenge jussi thru next season he,ll get it eventually if not so be it. long live jussi
You are talking about Jussi as if he is better than Casillas. Just out interest, is Jussi a selective mute? You never see him talk.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:41 pm |
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Regarding Ali.....
Let's say Vaz Te started next season and scored 6 goals in 3 games......we'd all say he deserves to be in the starting 11 for the next game and we'd talk of dropping a more established player. But Ali comes in and plays for a quarter of the season, never puts a foot wrong and in fact, plays even better than we expect......and what do we get? Ah well, Jussi has done it over 10 years and 10 games doesn't mean Ali should start or that he can carry on playing that well.
Let's get sentimentality out of the debate......that was stressed by many regarding Ped and others.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 09:54 pm |
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| jussi v ali no sentiment just plain common sense right now its jussi imo,just out of interest, that a photo of your sister mich?.
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Mich Caine wrote: Cowdrill, get a piece of paper and a pen.
Jussi turned down the offer of a new contract at least twice. Last season he was very ordinary. He is 6 years older than Al Habsi. His heart no longer seems to be at the club, he clearly wants to move on.
Al Habsi on the other hand has come into the first team and been absolutely superb, not one mistake, he made save after save, the safest hands you could wish for. He can only get better with more experience and has many years ahead of him and has a hunger to be our number one, he deserve to be our number one.
Jussi has been superb for us over the years, but Cowdrill, football moves on. If it was up to you we'd still have John McGinlay up front. Times change Cowdrill, maybe you don't like change. Maybe you still use a type writer and watch films on betamax and drive a Capri. Move with the times Cowdrill.
Never heard anything come out of Jussi's mouth, only Harrisons, who is the agent for both. Harrison is probably playing both keepers off against the other. Whatever happens, Harrison will have extra money in his back pocket.
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 10:12 pm |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: You miss the point Cowdrill. Not sure if it's on purpose or not? Nobody is rubbishing Jussi or dismissing his contribution.
How many times has it been said on here that certain people want to keep a player out of sentiment?
its got nothing at all to do with sentiment!
the guy has saved out bacon on dozens of opportunities and is our No.1
people seem to forget this and want him ditched
also, i dont get this 'distracted' cobblers about last season but maybe it could have been something to do with his back injury
if he hadnt got that injury and lost his place everybody would would be desperate for him to sign a new contract
but cos al habsi came in and did very, very well for 10 games - its changed to "nah, you can go now we dont need you anymore"
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 10:22 pm |
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tbh, i wanna keep both, and see a titanic struggle for the jersey next season
Jussi has been top-class for 10 seasons now, and is still one of the most established and respected keepers in the Prem
Ali, on the other hand, has bags upon bags upon bags of potential, and has proven himself, in my eyes, as a keeper of the highest order
i would hate to take one over the other, cos its the classic fight of establishment vs potential, young vs old
its uncallable (?) imo
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Posted: Tue Jun 10th, 2008 10:28 pm |
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Cowdrill wrote: Billy Bradshaw wrote: You miss the point Cowdrill. Not sure if it's on purpose or not? Nobody is rubbishing Jussi or dismissing his contribution.
How many times has it been said on here that certain people want to keep a player out of sentiment?
its got nothing at all to do with sentiment!
the guy has saved out bacon on dozens of opportunities and is our No.1
people seem to forget this and want him ditched
also, i dont get this 'distracted' cobblers about last season but maybe it could have been something to do with his back injury
if he hadnt got that injury and lost his place everybody would would be desperate for him to sign a new contract
but cos al habsi came in and did very, very well for 10 games - its changed to "nah, you can go now we dont need you anymore"
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Very rare, but Totally Agree with you Cowdrill. As you say, all the points that he has saved us, and kept Bolton in the Premiership, is nothing short of remarkable.
Jussi, is now basically at the Peak of his career, and maybe poor performances last season, could be down to either injury, or a crap defence prior to the January Transfer Window.
I will not knock Al Habsi back, and thought that he did a great job for us in the last 10 Premiership Games, and would still like him to sign another contract.
As they say "One swallow does not make a Summer". Al Habsi can be judged on 10 games, Jussi cannot be judged on 10 seasons. IMO, something wrong here.
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| If it was a Chinese menu, I would take two from the Goaltender page and two from the Striker page. Bolton would be lucky to end up with either of them... but being greedy, I'll take the two. Go with the hot goaltender until he disappoints. For 20,000 quid a week, I would not be upset sitting on the bench. Anyone on the forum who would be upset with 20,000 quid a week for backing up someone? I could certainly get by with that. On second thought, I would have to scrape by with 20,000 quid a week. It would take some getting used to... but we all have to make sacrifices.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 07:55 am |
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| Billy ,what you talking about, sentiment,spin,attacks on jussi,none of that crap was in my post,what are you on?my opinion is based on what the mans done for us,and what he can still do,100 per cent agree with cowdrill and bdi could,nt have said it better ,smack on the button,seems the club agree as well,but compared to you billy what the fack would they know.cant anyone have an opinion without you going off on one.
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Tweek wrote: Billy ,what you talking about, sentiment,spin,attacks on jussi,none of that crap was in my post,what are you on?my opinion is based on what the mans done for us,and what he can still do,100 per cent agree with cowdrill and bdi could,nt have said it better ,smack on the button,seems the club agree as well,but compared to you billy what the fack would they know.cant anyone have an opinion without you going off on one.
According to what I read earlier, GM said that he wants two of the best goalkeepers in the Premiership at the Club. He said that he doesn't go with the sentiment of having a Number 1 and Number 2 Goalkeeper. They are both equal, which will make both perform better to get into the starting Line-up.
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Posted: Wed Jun 11th, 2008 08:08 am |
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| Im all for that bdi, id not want to lose ali, just hope it will work, and if it does what a great position for us.
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i'm with billy on this, if we can sign both keepers and one of them is happy to sit on the bench all season then brilliant, but....
that's not likely to be the case so if it comes down to which keeper do we want to keep surely al habsi is the obvious choice, regardless of how many games he has played he's undoubtedly a talented goalkeeper that has proved he can be fantastic for us. if people are happy for him to leave just because he's been amazing over 10 games instead of 50 then that seems a bit daft in my opinion.
jussi may very well go back to his best but he's getting on a bit, he may see out his contract then retire in 2 years. his back is clearly a problem that won't get any better as he gets older. if al habsi leaves and we keep jussi and his back doesnt hold out we might have walker in goal for 3 months. anyone happy with that?
i'm not saying anyone is right or wrong, just that if it comes down to it, surely keeping the younger player that is (probably) just as good as the (possibly) injury prone player makes good sense?
oh and before anyone starts, i think jussi is a legend, just letting head rule over heart on this matter.
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Leaving sentiment out of this, then we should sign Ali Al Habsi on a long term contract as the number 1.
Jussi has been a great servant to the club, but if he left and we kept the younger keeper I would be fairly happy..
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| I dont think it would be in the best interests of the club to let a peak keeper like jussi go,just because we have a very good one coming thru, cant recall the last time a club did that, this is a very healthy situation for us.
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Doesn't make much difference what people think, but Harrison has come out and confirmed that Jussi has accepted the terms of a new 4 year contract.
Harrison also said that that Jussi will sign, when he returns from holiday, saying that Jussi says that he loves the Club and the Supporters.
Next thing on the agenda for Harrison is to get Al Habsi to sign a new contract.
Copied and Pasted from "The Bolton News" :-
Al-Habsi, who is represented by the same agent, Peter Harrison, had already complied with UEFA regulations by giving notice of exercising his right to buy himself out of his contract, which could see Wanderers receive just £300,000 in compensation if he moved on - a fraction of his market value.
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Jussi has not signed the contract yet, but if he has given his word then he will sign..
Can I point out that, I have stated on this forum on a number of occasions that i did not believe that Jussi would leave purely for financial gain (I don't know the chap but have worked with Finns for many years) and that the decision would be made based on his family circumstances and the value he places on his own skills, once BWFC reached that point (which will not have been over inflated but based on a logical appreciation of the market and his own valuation) the deal would be done.
No pointing out the countless times I am wrong on this forum, that would be churlish..
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Tweek wrote: Billy ,what you talking about, sentiment,spin,attacks on jussi,none of that crap was in my post,what are you on?my opinion is based on what the mans done for us,and what he can still do,100 per cent agree with cowdrill and bdi could,nt have said it better ,smack on the button,seems the club agree as well,but compared to you billy what the fack would they know.cant anyone have an opinion without you going off on one.
I really think you need to sit down and have some camomile tea or something. When you're ready to debate this sensibly let me know.
Am I not allowed to challenge the opinion of others on this site? Try reading my posts on this thread again and then tell the whole forum where I'm 'going off on one'.
Come on then.......let's hear it!!
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http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_3676647,00.html
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I take note of all the posts on this thread and the best scenario for me is that we keep both. Only if I was forced to choose, would I choose Ali. I don't believe deep down that we will have both of by the end of January. If we do, then this debate becomes irrelevent. But if that was a pre-requisite for a debate on here, the Summer Transfer thread would never have started.
But read through some of my posts on here.
I'm not saying 'Thanks Jussi, we now have Ali, so you can f*ck off'. I've gone on record to say that Ali only just shades it for me. But i would choose Ali. How the f*ck does that equate to me being disrespectful towards Jussi or not wanting him any more?
Those who would keep Jussi over Ali point out that Jussi has done it over 10 years, whereas Ali has done it over 10 games. that's true and has merit....but how many games did it take to recognise that Youri could still hack it in the top flight. Despite Hierro playing in Qatar for 12 months, how soon did we see that he was still at the top of his game? How many games did it take to recognise that Alonso shouldn't even get a game in a pub team? What about Steinsson? After his first game, we all felt he was up to the task.......yet 10 games from Ali proves nothing, because he hasn't done it over 10 years??
The poll at the top of this thread tells you the true opinion of the forum.
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