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Cowdrill wrote: Mich Caine wrote: hallz wrote: bdi wrote: Just wanted to say, that since I joined Bolton Banter, IMO, this has been the best ever Thread. "Jussi or Ali". Yes all posters respectful of both players, although each with their own preference. Also, neither posters, whatever their preference being disrespectful to other posters with the opposite preference.
Would wish all other Threads when debating could be taken in the same fashion as this Thread was.
As said, really enjoyed it. Just thought that I would mention it.
Your talking b*ll*cks bdi as ever. This thread is rubbish. Fact - Ali is better than Jussi and if you think otherwise you are wrong. Only my opinion is correct.
Does that re-adjust the thread to normal levels?!
I agree with Hallz. I am looking for the Gordon Ramsey of Bolton posts, this post is simply a Wimpy happy meal.
The fact is Ali was superb, flawless performances and can only get better and better with experience and has 6 or 7 years on Jussi. That is the fact, and its only for some Hooray Henry's here who are making an argument over it.
nobody is doubting Al Habsi for one second and we all agree he is superb
nobody is saying anything bad about Al Habsi - how could you? he played a huge part in our survival , a HUGE part
for some of us the the annoying thing about all this is that one minute Jussi is a living legend adored by all - the next minute it seems to be a case of "yea, shut the door on your way out Jussi - nice knowing you!"
and this is not sentiment
unlike Campo, Jussi is still an awesome player with so much to offer our club
also, it isnt entirely impossible that Al Habis hit a purple patch for those 10 games or so and that he may not quite be the Gordon Banks most people are already convinced he is
whereas with Jussi theres no gamble - we already know from experience that he is world class
except no one has said that yet you keep repeating it over and over again. this is the 24th time.
i think the frustraition if you can call it that, aimed toward jussi, stems from his reluctance to sign a contract.
and before you go off on a rant
NO I DON'T HAVE A CRYSTAL BALL I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT HE DID WITH THE CONTRACTS OR WHAT HE SAYS BEHIND THE SCENES OR WHAT HE HAD FOR LUNCH.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 10:31 pm |
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apologies to all! (especially bdi!) i thought itwas just a bit of banter but evidently not!
Yes it has been a great thread - i was just being obnoxious!
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Jussi Jaaskelainen has verbally agreed a three-year deal to stay at Bolton rather than join Aston Villa. (The Sun)
Given the amount of vocals coming from AH's agent.
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Posted: Fri Jun 13th, 2008 11:12 pm |
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hallz wrote: apologies to all! (especially bdi!) i thought itwas just a bit of banter but evidently not!
Yes it has been a great thread - i was just being obnoxious!
I realised that it was just banter by the "Tic Smiley", so no need to apologise to me. As per Norm, posters do not read others posts properly, just see what they want to see.
And stop being obnoxious, otherwise you will get a slapped wrist. 
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Cowdrill wrote: Mich Caine wrote: hallz wrote: bdi wrote: Just wanted to say, that since I joined Bolton Banter, IMO, this has been the best ever Thread. "Jussi or Ali". Yes all posters respectful of both players, although each with their own preference. Also, neither posters, whatever their preference being disrespectful to other posters with the opposite preference.
Would wish all other Threads when debating could be taken in the same fashion as this Thread was.
As said, really enjoyed it. Just thought that I would mention it.
Your talking b*ll*cks bdi as ever. This thread is rubbish. Fact - Ali is better than Jussi and if you think otherwise you are wrong. Only my opinion is correct.
Does that re-adjust the thread to normal levels?!
I agree with Hallz. I am looking for the Gordon Ramsey of Bolton posts, this post is simply a Wimpy happy meal.
The fact is Ali was superb, flawless performances and can only get better and better with experience and has 6 or 7 years on Jussi. That is the fact, and its only for some Hooray Henry's here who are making an argument over it.
nobody is doubting Al Habsi for one second and we all agree he is superb
nobody is saying anything bad about Al Habsi - how could you? he played a huge part in our survival , a HUGE part
for some of us the the annoying thing about all this is that one minute Jussi is a living legend adored by all - the next minute it seems to be a case of "yea, shut the door on your way out Jussi - nice knowing you!"
and this is not sentiment
unlike Campo, Jussi is still an awesome player with so much to offer our club
also, it isnt entirely impossible that Al Habis hit a purple patch for those 10 games or so and that he may not quite be the Gordon Banks most people are already convinced he is
whereas with Jussi theres no gamble - we already know from experience that he is world class
well said cowdrill  are some people on about yeah al habsi is good hes been here 2 season and played 12 games jussi been here 10 seasons and played about 345 games and because he has a naff season some of you turn your backs on him. You cant call al habsi or any one world class after half a season any way jussi is in the prime of his career and al habsi is young and still has a lot to learn jussi kicking isn't the best but the players now how to deal with that. abd if he throws it out to quick it will catch are players off guard aswell and we be down a goal
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Dezza wrote: Cowdrill wrote: Mich Caine wrote: hallz wrote: bdi wrote: Just wanted to say, that since I joined Bolton Banter, IMO, this has been the best ever Thread. "Jussi or Ali". Yes all posters respectful of both players, although each with their own preference. Also, neither posters, whatever their preference being disrespectful to other posters with the opposite preference.
Would wish all other Threads when debating could be taken in the same fashion as this Thread was.
As said, really enjoyed it. Just thought that I would mention it.
Your talking b*ll*cks bdi as ever. This thread is rubbish. Fact - Ali is better than Jussi and if you think otherwise you are wrong. Only my opinion is correct.
Does that re-adjust the thread to normal levels?!
I agree with Hallz. I am looking for the Gordon Ramsey of Bolton posts, this post is simply a Wimpy happy meal.
The fact is Ali was superb, flawless performances and can only get better and better with experience and has 6 or 7 years on Jussi. That is the fact, and its only for some Hooray Henry's here who are making an argument over it.
nobody is doubting Al Habsi for one second and we all agree he is superb
nobody is saying anything bad about Al Habsi - how could you? he played a huge part in our survival , a HUGE part
for some of us the the annoying thing about all this is that one minute Jussi is a living legend adored by all - the next minute it seems to be a case of "yea, shut the door on your way out Jussi - nice knowing you!"
and this is not sentiment
unlike Campo, Jussi is still an awesome player with so much to offer our club
also, it isnt entirely impossible that Al Habis hit a purple patch for those 10 games or so and that he may not quite be the Gordon Banks most people are already convinced he is
whereas with Jussi theres no gamble - we already know from experience that he is world class
well said cowdrill are some people on about yeah al habsi is good hes been here 2 season and played 12 games jussi been here 10 seasons and played about 345 games and because he has a naff season some of you turn your backs on him. You cant call al habsi or any one world class after half a season any way jussi is in the prime of his career and al habsi is young and still has a lot to learn jussi kicking isn't the best but the players now how to deal with that. abd if he throws it out to quick it will catch are players off guard aswell and we be down a goal
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le god wrote: Dezza wrote: Cowdrill wrote: Mich Caine wrote: hallz wrote: bdi wrote: Just wanted to say, that since I joined Bolton Banter, IMO, this has been the best ever Thread. "Jussi or Ali". Yes all posters respectful of both players, although each with their own preference. Also, neither posters, whatever their preference being disrespectful to other posters with the opposite preference.
Would wish all other Threads when debating could be taken in the same fashion as this Thread was.
As said, really enjoyed it. Just thought that I would mention it.
Your talking b*ll*cks bdi as ever. This thread is rubbish. Fact - Ali is better than Jussi and if you think otherwise you are wrong. Only my opinion is correct.
Does that re-adjust the thread to normal levels?!
I agree with Hallz. I am looking for the Gordon Ramsey of Bolton posts, this post is simply a Wimpy happy meal.
The fact is Ali was superb, flawless performances and can only get better and better with experience and has 6 or 7 years on Jussi. That is the fact, and its only for some Hooray Henry's here who are making an argument over it.
nobody is doubting Al Habsi for one second and we all agree he is superb
nobody is saying anything bad about Al Habsi - how could you? he played a huge part in our survival , a HUGE part
for some of us the the annoying thing about all this is that one minute Jussi is a living legend adored by all - the next minute it seems to be a case of "yea, shut the door on your way out Jussi - nice knowing you!"
and this is not sentiment
unlike Campo, Jussi is still an awesome player with so much to offer our club
also, it isnt entirely impossible that Al Habis hit a purple patch for those 10 games or so and that he may not quite be the Gordon Banks most people are already convinced he is
whereas with Jussi theres no gamble - we already know from experience that he is world class
well said cowdrill are some people on about yeah al habsi is good hes been here 2 season and played 12 games jussi been here 10 seasons and played about 345 games and because he has a naff season some of you turn your backs on him. You cant call al habsi or any one world class after half a season any way jussi is in the prime of his career and al habsi is young and still has a lot to learn jussi kicking isn't the best but the players now how to deal with that. abd if he throws it out to quick it will catch are players off guard aswell and we be down a goal
i see your multiple 's and raise you a and a 
the players know how to deal with poor kicking? how do they? do they get prepared for the resulting throw in to the opposition after a clearance?
and throwing? al habsi throws too quickly? this concedes goals so let get rid of him?
bloody hell.
back to reality.....i, like most here would love to see them both stay. this his highly unlikely and as much as i think jussi is an absolute legend i believe that losing al habsi will be awful for the club. let's hope for a miracle, lets hope ali is happy on the bench or is happy to be loaned out.
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I thought we'd got past this silly idea that those who prefer Ali are attacking Jussi?
Anyway......the papers report that Ali is prepared to go and play for Hull to get a regular place.
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| Will Ali even get a place at Hull? Isnt Myhill pretty highly rated, with more experience?
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pfk505 wrote: Will Ali even get a place at Hull? Isnt Myhill pretty highly rated, with more experience?
Indeed. Over 200 games for them. It's the usual lazy journalism anyway. Ali won't be going to Hull.
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With all due respect Dezza, you are somewhat biased being Jussi's number one fan.
Al Habsi was absolutely superb when he came in, so just how good could he be with experience and confidence shown in him as being our number one? He is 7 years younger, he looks an absolutely cracking keeper. It would be crazy to lose him, absolutely crazy.
I don't think anyone is doubting Jussi, but everyone was so impressed by Al Habsi and he has been so patient that I believe he deserves his chance and keep his place in the team as goalkeeper. No way on Earth does he deserve to be demoted to the subs bench, that would be an injustice.
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This is a terrible decision in my book and I think some people are conveniently glossing over the fact that Jussi made himself unavailable for the last part of the season and no medical condition was found, he returned to full training for the last couple of games when it was almost certain we were staying up. Would it have hampered his negotiating ability if he'd dropped a couple of major bollox which had sent us down? Maybe.
I think he bottled it personally, didn't have the stomach for a relegation scrap. Al Habsi more than proved himself and is a large part of the reason we are still in the premiership, Jussi was not focused at all last season and had one eye on a move at the end of it. This was plain to see IMO as he was shocking on more than one occassion.
He should have gone to one of these high profile clubs that have been after him for years.... or was it all bullsh1t by that squeeky clean agent of his
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Philsfaxmachine wrote: This is a terrible decision in my book and I think some people are conveniently glossing over the fact that Jussi made himself unavailable for the last part of the season and no medical condition was found, he returned to full training for the last couple of games when it was almost certain we were staying up. Would it have hampered his negotiating ability if he'd dropped a couple of major bollox which had sent us down? Maybe.
I think he bottled it personally, didn't have the stomach for a relegation scrap. Al Habsi more than proved himself and is a large part of the reason we are still in the premiership, Jussi was not focused at all last season and had one eye on a move at the end of it. This was plain to see IMO as he was shocking on more than one occassion.
He should have gone to one of these high profile clubs that have been after him for years.... or was it all bullsh1t by that squeeky clean agent of his
ive been browsing this board lately and ive been thinking that theres something missing...
and i couldnt quite put my finger on it
but there we have it - PFM hasnt been around posting complete, total and utter crap
and this post is a belter - even by your standards!
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the idea that Ali is going to Hull was reported by the Sunday Mirror, and guess what? there were no quotes, no accompanying evidence of any kind to back their story
i see absolutely no reason why we cant keep both keepers and work on a sort of rotation where a clean sheet = a second game in goal
as for the Arse trying to get Ali a better contract and guaranteed 1st team football, i honestly cant blame him, Ali deserves to be playing, not be stuck on the subs bench every week
but lets not forget we have a top class keeper in the form of Jussi Jaaskelainen - despite the conspiracy theories some are now trying to circulate, he's just signed a contract that will see him finish his career here, so he obviously wants to be a Wanderer, so the loss of Al Habsi, while difficult to bear, may not hit us so hard
we also seem to be under the impression that Jussi's signature on a piece of paper, and even Megson's offering of the piece of paper, is a guarantee that Jussi will be the first choice keeper next season...despite the still-circulating criticisms of him, Megson isnt blind, and he surely knows how well Ali did under extreme pressure and anticipation at the back end of last season, and i cannot honestly see him disregarding the fact that he has 2 incredibly able keepers on the books, both worthy of the first team shirt
Megson will want to do everything in his power to maintain our reputation of having the best goalkeeping team in the Premiership, and that means keeping hold of Ali Al Habsi
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pfm,s post was so utter bollox,i couldn,t bring myself to reply,great job cowdrill.
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truewhite15 wrote: i see absolutely no reason why we cant keep both keepers and work on a sort of rotation where a clean sheet = a second game in goal
I do.....neither Jussi or Ali will want that and neither will we. We need stability and for the defenders and keeper to gel. that won't happen if we chop and change every game.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: truewhite15 wrote: i see absolutely no reason why we cant keep both keepers and work on a sort of rotation where a clean sheet = a second game in goal
I do.....neither Jussi or Ali will want that and neither will we. We need stability and for the defenders and keeper to gel. that won't happen if we chop and change every game.
Yes, I mean name one club in the history of the Premiership who have rotated goalkeepers every other week?
I personally believe Al Habsi has done nothing wrong and therefore should keep his spot in the team. If his form dips then bring Jussi in.
But I agree, Al Habsi will no longer be prepared to sit on the bench like he has done in recent seasons where he never gets a look in other than cup games. He doesn't deserve that so I totally understand if Al Habsi leaves.
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Philsfaxmachine wrote: This is a terrible decision in my book and I think some people are conveniently glossing over the fact that Jussi made himself unavailable for the last part of the season and no medical condition was found, he returned to full training for the last couple of games when it was almost certain we were staying up. Would it have hampered his negotiating ability if he'd dropped a couple of major bollox which had sent us down? Maybe.
I think he bottled it personally, didn't have the stomach for a relegation scrap. Al Habsi more than proved himself and is a large part of the reason we are still in the premiership, Jussi was not focused at all last season and had one eye on a move at the end of it. This was plain to see IMO as he was shocking on more than one occassion.
He should have gone to one of these high profile clubs that have been after him for years.... or was it all bullsh1t by that squeeky clean agent of his
Absolute Horse Sh1t, way to go PFM
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the best bit of complete shit in that post by pfm was where he said that there was no condition found.
club doctors report that his back has healed well and surgery wont be needed - he reads 'no condition found'.
absolute classic.
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| I dont believe he feigned injury, but i see no reason why he couldn't have come out personally and made his intentions known, especially regarding contract negotiations. Of course i don't know what his intentions where but speculating it would seem he held out for as long as possible, i've no doubt this was due to some quiet words from his agent but it still leaves a bit of a sour taste, considering we had a man in Ali who was determined to play for the club.
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le god wrote: I dont believe he feigned injury, but i see no reason why he couldn't have come out personally and made his intentions known, especially regarding contract negotiations. Of course i don't know what his intentions where but speculating it would seem he held out for as long as possible, i've no doubt this was due to some quiet words from his agent but it still leaves a bit of a sour taste, considering we had a man in Ali who was determined to play for the club.
I don't think he had intentions. I reckon he was waiting to see if we got relegated or not. And he could hardly come out and say that - even if it was a sensible position.
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Sprout wrote: le god wrote: I dont believe he feigned injury, but i see no reason why he couldn't have come out personally and made his intentions known, especially regarding contract negotiations. Of course i don't know what his intentions where but speculating it would seem he held out for as long as possible, i've no doubt this was due to some quiet words from his agent but it still leaves a bit of a sour taste, considering we had a man in Ali who was determined to play for the club.
I don't think he had intentions. I reckon he was waiting to see if we got relegated or not. And he could hardly come out and say that - even if it was a sensible position.
But he was still "stalling" on contracts during the season we ended up in europe, so while he may have "waited" this season, it wasn't the first time.
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This isn't relevant only to Jussi, but all players say nothing in these situations and leave it to their agent. If they want to stay so much, all they have to do is speak up.
I'll put a tenner on Ronaldo coming out and saying (if he has to stay at Man U) that he never wanted to go to real anyway and it was all paper talk.
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le god wrote: Sprout wrote: le god wrote: I dont believe he feigned injury, but i see no reason why he couldn't have come out personally and made his intentions known, especially regarding contract negotiations. Of course i don't know what his intentions where but speculating it would seem he held out for as long as possible, i've no doubt this was due to some quiet words from his agent but it still leaves a bit of a sour taste, considering we had a man in Ali who was determined to play for the club.
I don't think he had intentions. I reckon he was waiting to see if we got relegated or not. And he could hardly come out and say that - even if it was a sensible position.
But he was still "stalling" on contracts during the season we ended up in europe, so while he may have "waited" this season, it wasn't the first time. And at 33, this could be his last chance for a big payday.
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Jussi will have known the value of his talents he will have told Harrison that he wanted £X a week for X years and sent him on his way, Harrison will have tried for a little more when the club reached Jussi's requirements the deal will have been done.
He will not employ someone then do the job himself, he will put full faith in the Agent to resolve the situation and handle the press.
If we were relegated we would have lost more players than Jussi.
I don't believe that Jussi would have feigned injury it goes against the nature of an entire country. That is just laughable.
still feel Ali al Habsi is the future..
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Catte Strophe wrote: Jussi will have known the value of his talents he will have told Harrison that he wanted £X a week for X years and sent him on his way, Harrison will have tried for a little more when the club reached Jussi's requirements the deal will have been done.
He will not employ someone then do the job himself, he will put full faith in the Agent to resolve the situation and handle the press.
If we were relegated we would have lost more players than Jussi.
I don't believe that Jussi would have feigned injury it goes against the nature of an entire country. That is just laughable.
still feel Ali al Habsi is the future..
thats the bottom line (literally in the case of your post).
i dont think any sane poster on here dislikes jussi or doesnt realise how important he has been to us, or indeed what he still has to offer. the fact of the matter is that ali has probably has just as much to offer - for longer.
it'll be a terrible shame to lose ali.
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I've got no problems at all with Jussi and the very idea that he feigned injury is laughable. We won't struggle with him in the team and even if he isn't quite as good as before, he'll still be a damn good keeper.
I just feel that Ali cemented his place at the end of last season, and as unfortunate as it is for Jussi, it's up to him to win his place back. I also think Ali was the better bet for the future, because in two years, we'll need to find another gem.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: I've got no problems at all with Jussi and the very idea that he feigned injury is laughable. We won't struggle with him in the team and even if he isn't quite as good as before, he'll still be a damn good keeper.
I just feel that Ali cemented his place at the end of last season, and as unfortunate as it is for Jussi, it's up to him to win his place back. I also think Ali was the better bet for the future, because in two years, we'll need to find another gem.
Those of us fortunate enough to be at Chelsea at the end of last season saw the passion the lad has for the club and the fans reciprocated it was a kind of a love in, at the time I had the feeling that a change in the Force had just taken place, a shifting if you like..
Jussi has been bloody marvellous for Bolton, but I felt during and after the match you know if jussi went we would feel it but not so much with Ali Al Habsi on board. IMHO Ali Al Habsi has earned the right to have the starting role, I know he is not the finished article and there will be times when we question the sanity of this and similar posts on this forum but I would hate to lose him now..
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Does anyone remember the John Ritson strike at Mansfield ? I doubt even Ali Al-Habsi would have got a hand on that one...
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Catte Strophe wrote: Billy Bradshaw wrote: I've got no problems at all with Jussi and the very idea that he feigned injury is laughable. We won't struggle with him in the team and even if he isn't quite as good as before, he'll still be a damn good keeper.
I just feel that Ali cemented his place at the end of last season, and as unfortunate as it is for Jussi, it's up to him to win his place back. I also think Ali was the better bet for the future, because in two years, we'll need to find another gem.
Those of us fortunate enough to be at Chelsea at the end of last season saw the passion the lad has for the club and the fans reciprocated it was a kind of a love in, at the time I had the feeling that a change in the Force had just taken place, a shifting if you like..
Jussi has been bloody marvellous for Bolton, but I felt during and after the match you know if jussi went we would feel it but not so much with Ali Al Habsi on board. IMHO Ali Al Habsi has earned the right to have the starting role, I know he is not the finished article and there will be times when we question the sanity of this and similar posts on this forum but I would hate to lose him now..
It was the same at Spurs as the players came over to applaud the crowd. At the moment Jussi is the better keeper, but I'd go with Al Habsi out of the two, because he's the future.
At least we appear to have avoided the worst case scenario, where we lose both of them. And we've got Adam Bogdan coming through who's a cracking prospect.
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