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| So some of you think that we should have patience with Gary Megson and some want his head now. Phil Gartside said during the summer that in hindsight he should have acted sooner over Sammy Lee. So how long do you give Megson before you sack him, i.e. how many games? My view is 10 games and if we're notabove fifth from bottom we should sack him. What do you think? Oh and Billy Bradshaw it's a seriuos question so no flippancy (lol)
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:20 pm |
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| 10 games? 13 points. Last edited on Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:21 pm by Liam
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White Steel
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:27 pm |
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8 games, 6 points and the team looking a lot more co-ordinated and scoring goals.
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Liam
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:33 pm |
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Sprout wrote: 8 games, 6 points and the team looking a lot more co-ordinated and scoring goals.
tht'd give us a total of 28.5 pts for the season if we had that kind of form
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:35 pm |
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| 12 games but even if we are struggling do you expect gartside to get rid of megson ? i for one dont and if he does go who nxt for the bolton rollercoaster ?
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:38 pm |
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| we should have sacked him when Stoke scored in the last minute
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| I can hardly contain myself
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:52 pm |
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Right so if we use 10 games as the target these are our fixtures.
Fulham (A) 1pt
Arsenal (H) 0pt
UTD (A) 0pt
West Ham (A)1pt
Blackburn (H)1pt
Spurs (A)0pt
Everton (H)3pt
That is my absolute OPTIMISTIC prediction (and yes billy its a prediction as we know you can never predict in football etc)
that would give us 10 points 10 games.
now i can't personally see us getting that many but i certainly wouldn't consider that sackable.
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Well, IMHO, we're going to be nowhere near the bottom three so I say give him another season.
Actually, this is a really dumb thread! (sorry, Nidgster)
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Nidgster wrote: So some of you think that we should have patience with Gary Megson and some want his head now. Phil Gartside said during the summer that in hindsight he should have acted sooner over Sammy Lee. So how long do you give Megson before you sack him, i.e. how many games? My view is 10 games and if we're notabove fifth from bottom we should sack him. What do you think? Oh and Billy Bradshaw it's a seriuos question so no flippancy (lol)
The thing is, the same question was written last season after we lost our first three games and some posters on here said Sammy Lee should be given the whole season, it really is true, some people were that stupid and clueless. I felt last season that the board did well in sacking Sammy Lee as early as they did, things were a shambles.
But people talking here about when should we sack Megson have blamonge for brains. How negative are some people? We're actually 6th in the league, Elmander has played less than 90 mins of football. Riga has yet to start a league game - as has this Polish chap. Taylor is out injured currently and Cahill is suspended. It really is crazy.
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Posted: Wed Sep 3rd, 2008 07:58 pm |
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His current record reads as........
Played 37
Won 10
Drawn 12
Lost 15 
Not great reading is it. 
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The Bullet wrote: His current record reads as........
Played 37
Won 10
Drawn 12
Lost 15
Not great reading is it.
Come on Bullet, last season he took over an absolute crap side that Sammy Lee had a record of 1 win, 2 draws and 6 losses. You have to let Megson make the team his own which he has done now. But let him get his players settled and fit too.
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The Bullet wrote: His current record reads as........
Played 37
Won 10
Drawn 12
Lost 15
Not great reading is it.
Er, that's 42 points from 37 games. Given that we had a horrendous run in the middle of it, I'd say over a season that's not bad going.
His record with HIS team is W1 D1 L1 - a typical Allardyce season that would yield 52 points or so.
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Andy Walsh wrote: The Bullet wrote: His current record reads as........
Played 37
Won 10
Drawn 12
Lost 15
Not great reading is it.
Er, that's 42 points from 37 games. Given that we had a horrendous run in the middle of it, I'd say over a season that's not bad going.
His record with HIS team is W1 D1 L1 - a typical Allardyce season that would yield 52 points or so.
It also includes a tremendous finish therefore it equals it out. What is clear is that 42 points is not enough for a manager that has spent the most money in our history.
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Ok, you don't want flippancy......here goes.
Played 3, won 1, drawn 1, lost 1.
4 points in 3 games compared to 5 points in how many games last season? (I forget?) Was it 10 or 13?
This with our two new (flair-ish) players out and one of our most consistent players suspended.
I'm not being flippant at all when I say this, but restart this thread when you have the slightest reason for starting the thread in the first place. I can't believe that after 3 games, we have a thread asking how long we should give Megson before we sack him? Unbelieveable!!
I expect it's manna from heaven for some posters, because it allows them to debate their favourite subject. On the other hand, perhaps this is a fantastic thread, because maybe we can keep all this stuff on this thread and those who are so inclined can post on here every day, just to get their Megson-bashing out of their system? 
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The Bullet wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: The Bullet wrote: His current record reads as........
Played 37
Won 10
Drawn 12
Lost 15
Not great reading is it.
Er, that's 42 points from 37 games. Given that we had a horrendous run in the middle of it, I'd say over a season that's not bad going.
His record with HIS team is W1 D1 L1 - a typical Allardyce season that would yield 52 points or so.
It also includes a tremendous finish therefore it equals it out. What is clear is that 42 points is not enough for a manager that has spent the most money in our history.
But he has only really spent the money this summer. In January he lost Anelka for £15m to spend £13m in Cahill, Taylor, Steinsson and Cohen. So really he has only had 3 games in which he has a team where he has spent a lot of money with.
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The Bullet wrote: What is clear is that 42 points is not enough for a manager that has spent the most money in our history.
Seriously.....are you on some kind of permanent wind up here or do you really believe this stuff you post?
How much of this did he spend last season when he actually got most of those 42 points? How did losing Anelka affect our season, particularly when he couldn't replace him? What about Diouf doing f*ck all for much of the season?
If you want to debate then at least put forward a cohesive argument, instead of trying to twist statistics and then looking a fool when someone points out your obvious errors.
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Liam wrote: Sprout wrote: 8 games, 6 points and the team looking a lot more co-ordinated and scoring goals.
tht'd give us a total of 28.5 pts for the season if we had that kind of form
yes, but forgetting 2 of those are Arsenal/Man U. So this envisages getting 3 points from the 3 other matches - if can't do that then should be sacked.
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personally i dont want him sacked
sacking Megson now would achieve nothing
but i think his tactics and some of his team selections are poor
if he carries on the way he is going (which he will, as he is stubborn) then he will probably get himself sacked in the long run anyway
and now he has gone a long way to digging his own grave by letting the window slam shut before making his squad big enough
despite having funds available to him
he is his own worst enemy
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Sprout wrote: Liam wrote: Sprout wrote: 8 games, 6 points and the team looking a lot more co-ordinated and scoring goals.
tht'd give us a total of 28.5 pts for the season if we had that kind of form
yes, but forgetting 2 of those are Arsenal/Man U. So this envisages getting 3 points from the 3 other matches - if can't do that then should be sacked.
The Arsenal and Man U games should play no part in any attack on any Bolton manager. To beat them, not only do we have to be at our best, but they have to be at their worst. They are games to try and keep your goal difference respectable....nothing more.
Then again, if we smell blood.......they are the type of games where you could get a sneaky point or even a win. Just look at the home game against Man U last season.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Sprout wrote: Liam wrote: Sprout wrote: 8 games, 6 points and the team looking a lot more co-ordinated and scoring goals.
tht'd give us a total of 28.5 pts for the season if we had that kind of form
yes, but forgetting 2 of those are Arsenal/Man U. So this envisages getting 3 points from the 3 other matches - if can't do that then should be sacked.
The Arsenal and Man U games should play no part in any attack on any Bolton manager. To beat them, not only do we have to be at our best, but they have to be at their worst. They are games to try and keep your goal difference respectable....nothing more.
Then again, if we smell blood.......they are the type of games where you could get a sneaky point or even a win. Just look at the home game against Man U last season.
Er ... that's exactly why I said 6 points from 8 games.
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Sprout wrote: Billy Bradshaw wrote: Sprout wrote: Liam wrote: Sprout wrote: 8 games, 6 points and the team looking a lot more co-ordinated and scoring goals.
tht'd give us a total of 28.5 pts for the season if we had that kind of form
yes, but forgetting 2 of those are Arsenal/Man U. So this envisages getting 3 points from the 3 other matches - if can't do that then should be sacked.
The Arsenal and Man U games should play no part in any attack on any Bolton manager. To beat them, not only do we have to be at our best, but they have to be at their worst. They are games to try and keep your goal difference respectable....nothing more.
Then again, if we smell blood.......they are the type of games where you could get a sneaky point or even a win. Just look at the home game against Man U last season.
Er ... that's exactly why I said 6 points from 8 games.
Er....wasn't disagreeing with you. Just adding to what you said. 
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| I personally look forward to the big scalp games. Its the only time we ever see our lot run their hearts out for 90 mins, claiming a result or not. Chelsea at home was Sammy lees last match and we played outstandingly well. Arsenal away was next with Archie Knox, and we were very good there. No results though but enjoyed watching.
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As the Keggy Kegan and Curbishley situation show it's not easy balancing the fans expectations and the Board's interference. I think Megson is a good match for our board, he says what he wants and has realistic expectations, so far they have backed him.
I'm confident we will stay up this time and get a balance of good results and dire ones this season. Which suits me after last year.
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If someone could please:
- Give me enough justifiable reasons to sack him
- Give me a suitable replacement
Then I may read all the posts in this ridiculous thread. You're all living in cuckoo land, you think we're a bigger club than we actually are. Stop whinging, and get supporting him.
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| i dont think anyone said he should be sacked.. It just all very disappointing
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Howfen White wrote:
If someone could please:
- Give me enough justifiable reasons to sack him
- Give me a suitable replacement
Then I may read all the posts in this ridiculous thread. You're all living in cuckoo land, you think we're a bigger club than we actually are. Stop whinging, and get supporting him.
What my fellow Howfener said.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: The Bullet wrote: What is clear is that 42 points is not enough for a manager that has spent the most money in our history.
Seriously.....are you on some kind of permanent wind up here or do you really believe this stuff you post?
How much of this did he spend last season when he actually got most of those 42 points? How did losing Anelka affect our season, particularly when he couldn't replace him? What about Diouf doing f*ck all for much of the season?
If you want to debate then at least put forward a cohesive argument, instead of trying to twist statistics and then looking a fool when someone points out your obvious errors.
Bullet went quiet there! Guessing it must've been past his bed time, school in't morn!!!
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Howfen White wrote: If someone could please:
- Give me enough justifiable reasons to sack him
- Give me a suitable replacement
Then I may read all the posts in this ridiculous thread. You're all living in cuckoo land, you think we're a bigger club than we actually are. Stop whinging, and get supporting him.
1. He,s ginger,2 he,s clueless,3 he,s negative. 4 he signed shittu!!!------big sam to replace him. now watch billy go.
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urquhs wrote: I personally look forward to the big scalp games. Its the only time we ever see our lot run their hearts out for 90 mins, claiming a result or not. Chelsea at home was Sammy lees last match and we played outstandingly well. Arsenal away was next with Archie Knox, and we were very good there. No results though but enjoyed watching.
Just trawling through this nonesense thread and come across this gem.. have read this a number of times to see if I am missing the point. The game at Arsenal with archie Knox in charge is the one time in my life I have been embarrassed as a fan of BWFC.. 90 minutes and the only time Almunia was tested was a long aimless punt into the box that he came to the Penalty spot to catch.
I fellt Knox should have been released at that point, we were awful just bloody awful ..
Sack Megson not even a valid thought at this point, he has done waht he was paid to do last season and we need some kind of stability, based on his transfers and his backroom staff lets see what he can do..
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