| Author | Post |
|---|
Cowdrill
606 Veteran
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2004 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 10303 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 06:51 pm |
|
stokesy wrote:
well all the fans are going to stay away again, the negative football will see to that, and megson has just been asked in an interview will he make changes for the everton game (bring on riga etc) and he just hesitate and then said "well we have got the biggest squad to make changes??!!!
AND WHOS FAULT IS THAT??!?!?!??!?!?
the man is stupid beyond belief!!!
he has been handed more money than any Bolton manager in our clubs history
the wazzock!
____________________
Dey took er jerbs
|
Cowdrill
606 Veteran
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2004 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 10303 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 06:53 pm |
|
craig bwfc wrote: He will almost certainly stick with the same team Megson hasn't got a clue his tactics and team selection are s*ite he just never changes anything.
to be fair though, once weve got all our injured and suspended players back things will be a lot better....
...oh, hang on!
anymore excuses now that one doenst work Gazza? 
:aris:
____________________
Dey took er jerbs
|
Woody
Member
| Joined: | Wed Jan 19th, 2005 |
| Location: | Bristol |
| Posts: | 4203 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:23 pm |
|
Cowdrill wrote: stokesy wrote:
well all the fans are going to stay away again, the negative football will see to that, and megson has just been asked in an interview will he make changes for the everton game (bring on riga etc) and he just hesitate and then said "well we have got the biggest squad to make changes??!!!
AND WHOS FAULT IS THAT??!?!?!??!?!?
the man is stupid beyond belief!!!
he has been handed more money than any Bolton manager in our clubs history
the wazzock!
You don't hear wazzock much these days.
____________________
|
Swoosh
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 53 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 07:45 pm |
|
Woody wrote: Cowdrill wrote: stokesy wrote:
well all the fans are going to stay away again, the negative football will see to that, and megson has just been asked in an interview will he make changes for the everton game (bring on riga etc) and he just hesitate and then said "well we have got the biggest squad to make changes??!!!
AND WHOS FAULT IS THAT??!?!?!??!?!?
the man is stupid beyond belief!!!
he has been handed more money than any Bolton manager in our clubs history
the wazzock!
You don't hear wazzock much these days.
Takeshi's Castle!!
____________________
You are under my control, send BEER
|
Valderee
606 Veteran
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 08:12 pm |
|
Looks like he is turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to you all:
Bolton boss Gary Megson insists he will not let supporter abuse affect him after he was barracked by a section of the crowd in Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Tottenham
Better get ready for next season's Championship then with:
Bogdan, Hunt, A O'Brien, Shittu, Samuel, Nolan, J OBrien, McCann, Gardner, Davies, Vaz Te.
Jussi, Ali, Steinsson, Cahill, Muamba, Elmander, Taylor, Riga will ship out.
Last edited on Sun Oct 26th, 2008 08:13 pm by Valderee
____________________
There are Cutthroats Crooks and Conmen running this jail
Is there any club left in England
Or any ground left in England
Or any fan left in England
That's not for sale.
|
stokesy
Member
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 08:22 pm |
|
| might get a decent game of football to watch then
|
Djibril
Member
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 11:18 pm |
|
Valderee wrote: Looks like he is turning a deaf ear and a blind eye to you all:
Bolton boss Gary Megson insists he will not let supporter abuse affect him after he was barracked by a section of the crowd in Sunday's 2-0 defeat at Tottenham
Better get ready for next season's Championship then with:
Bogdan, Hunt, A O'Brien, Shittu, Samuel, Nolan, J OBrien, McCann, Gardner, Davies, Vaz Te.
Jussi, Ali, Steinsson, Cahill, Muamba, Elmander, Taylor, Riga will ship out.
the championship team there actually excites me more than the current team
|
Cowdrill
606 Veteran
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2004 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 10303 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Sun Oct 26th, 2008 11:29 pm |
|
thing is, apart from central midfield , were not a bad squad
its just smeg for brains simply hasnt got a clue about team selections, formations, tactics , motivation , ANYTHING!
and i dont buy the whole first game for a new manager bollox
remmeber Mick McCarthys first game in charge of Sunderland? BSA took us to the stadium of light and we twatted them 2-0
because he knows how to motivate a team
____________________
Dey took er jerbs
|
pfk505
Member
| Joined: | Wed Jan 30th, 2008 |
| Location: | Victoria, Canada |
| Posts: | 884 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 06:28 am |
|
| I played youth football from a very young age until I was about 15. Every coach on every team I ever played on stressed one thing above all else. CLOSE DOWN THE PLAYER WITH THE BALL. Even at premier league level it astounds me when teams dont do this. When we close down the opposition relentlessly, we break up plays, intercept passes, force errors etc. in effect we GAIN POSSESSION. When we invite pressure, goals like the first against Spurs can happen with impunity. Invite Bently to cross, invite Pavlyuchenko to run into the box, invite the goal. Time and time again it happens, the games we win or at least play well in are the games where we close them down and break up plays.
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 08:17 am |
|
Cowdrill wrote: thing is, apart from central midfield , were not a bad squad
its just smeg for brains simply hasnt got a clue about team selections, formations, tactics , motivation , ANYTHING!
and i dont buy the whole first game for a new manager bollox
remmeber Mick McCarthys first game in charge of Sunderland? BSA took us to the stadium of light and we twitted them 2-0
because he knows how to motivate a team
Mick Mc Mccarthy's not in the same calibre as Harry Rednapp though, is he? The best result I can remember when we've played a new team with a new manager was us against Newcastle last year under Megson. It would have been SO easy to have capitulated with the Messiah back in charge.Last edited on Mon Oct 27th, 2008 08:18 am by Andy Walsh
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Ifs Buts and Maybes
Member
| Joined: | Mon Apr 28th, 2008 |
| Location: | |
| Posts: | 888 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 08:32 am |
|
stokesy wrote:
well all the fans are going to stay away again, the negative football will see to that, and megson has just been asked in an interview will he make changes for the everton game (bring on riga etc) and he just hesitate and then said "well we have got the biggest squad to make changes??!!!
He was also on 5 live on saturday morning quoting his dad's advice when he started out in management - along the lines of you'll never please everyone so please your effing self. So no he ain't gonna listen to anyone and he'll continue in his own pig headed negative beliefs.
____________________
For God's sake leave someone forward when we concede a corner......and maybe from 2/1/2010 we will
|
Billy Bradshaw
Administrator
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2004 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 17267 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 09:49 am |
|
I've had my say on Megson in the Spurs thread, so i won't say it again here. But let me explain my reasoning as to why bringing SA back is not the answer.
Remember the days when Arsenal were sh*t scared of playing us? In fact, do you remember when most teams were scared to come to the Reebok.....Souness used to get his complaints in before they even got here!!
Well those days are gone on the ended around Christmas time in SA's last season. The problem we have is that someone stood up to the 'Bolton Bullies' and won. Now every team that comes here knowing that they can win and the bullies aren't as tough as they thought. Think Mike Tyson after the Buster Douglas defeat.
That was why we were in relegation form for his last 5 months. Could SA have done better with money to spend? Possibly, yes. But all Megson has done is to try and emulate SA......and it didn't work for SA in the last few months, so why would it work for Megson?
As for replacements.......why the f*ck would Brown leave Hull? As for the rest, most of them are a pipe dream. I'd hate to have Sourness or O'Really here as manager and the rest are unlikely to come. As for the suggestion of Youri Djorkaeff..........based on what????
____________________
The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.
|
Woody
Member
| Joined: | Wed Jan 19th, 2005 |
| Location: | Bristol |
| Posts: | 4203 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 10:51 am |
|
Billy Bradshaw wrote: I've had my say on Megson in the Spurs thread, so i won't say it again here. But let me explain my reasoning as to why bringing SA back is not the answer.
Remember the days when Arsenal were sh*t scared of playing us? In fact, do you remember when most teams were scared to come to the Reebok.....Souness used to get his complaints in before they even got here!!
Well those days are gone on the ended around Christmas time in SA's last season. The problem we have is that someone stood up to the 'Bolton Bullies' and won. Now every team that comes here knowing that they can win and the bullies aren't as tough as they thought. Think Mike Tyson after the Buster Douglas defeat.
That was why we were in relegation form for his last 5 months. Could SA have done better with money to spend? Possibly, yes. But all Megson has done is to try and emulate SA......and it didn't work for SA in the last few months, so why would it work for Megson?
As for replacements.......why the f*ck would Brown leave Hull? As for the rest, most of them are a pipe dream. I'd hate to have Sourness or O'Really here as manager and the rest are unlikely to come. As for the suggestion of Youri Djorkaeff..........based on what????
This is the first time I've ever heard this theory from you Billy, I must say. I thought you were in the camp of how SA knew he was leaving at the end of the season and his heart was therefore, not in it?
I have always, always, always stayed away from the SA debates and if I've ever chimed in it's been to suggest that going back would be a bad move. But it really has hit the lowest of the lows right now. The start of this season has simply been shocking, there has been nothing above glimpses of how we can play and I'm fed up of watching 90 minutes for 5 minutes of good football and still losing!
All I'm saying is that if SA was named manager tomorrow morning I would be dancing in the streets.
____________________
|
Billy Bradshaw
Administrator
| Joined: | Mon Oct 4th, 2004 |
| Location: | United Kingdom |
| Posts: | 17267 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 11:07 am |
|
Woody wrote: Billy Bradshaw wrote: I've had my say on Megson in the Spurs thread, so i won't say it again here. But let me explain my reasoning as to why bringing SA back is not the answer.
Remember the days when Arsenal were sh*t scared of playing us? In fact, do you remember when most teams were scared to come to the Reebok.....Souness used to get his complaints in before they even got here!!
Well those days are gone on the ended around Christmas time in SA's last season. The problem we have is that someone stood up to the 'Bolton Bullies' and won. Now every team that comes here knowing that they can win and the bullies aren't as tough as they thought. Think Mike Tyson after the Buster Douglas defeat.
That was why we were in relegation form for his last 5 months. Could SA have done better with money to spend? Possibly, yes. But all Megson has done is to try and emulate SA......and it didn't work for SA in the last few months, so why would it work for Megson?
As for replacements.......why the f*ck would Brown leave Hull? As for the rest, most of them are a pipe dream. I'd hate to have Sourness or O'Really here as manager and the rest are unlikely to come. As for the suggestion of Youri Djorkaeff..........based on what????
This is the first time I've ever heard this theory from you Billy, I must say. I thought you were in the camp of how SA knew he was leaving at the end of the season and his heart was therefore, not in it?
I have always, always, always stayed away from the SA debates and if I've ever chimed in it's been to suggest that going back would be a bad move. But it really has hit the lowest of the lows right now. The start of this season has simply been shocking, there has been nothing above glimpses of how we can play and I'm fed up of watching 90 minutes for 5 minutes of good football and still losing!
All I'm saying is that if SA was named manager tomorrow morning I would be dancing in the streets.
It would be foolish of me to argue that SA would do a worse job than Megson, so I won't, because we could argue that Megson has done a better job than SL. That doesn't mean he's the man to take us forward.
This isn't out of any hatred for SA, because I don't hate the guy. Part of me won't forgive him leaving with two games to go, but that's mitigated by all the relative success he brought us. I think in the end, his heart wasn't in it, but i think that was brought on by a realisation that the game was up. Money may have made a difference for SA, but we'll never know. I wasn't impressed with the signings he made at Newcastle.
____________________
The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark.
|
White Steel
Member
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 11:09 am |
|
Big Sam would be no worse than Megson. However, I'm not sure he'd be better. His strentgh was always his ego - that he could do well in the transfer window to pick up "lost" players and turn that into a machine to be scared of, but following on from the panorama allegation that got warped - witness Barton as his big newcastle signing.
Personally I don't think Big Sam's tactics were much better than Megson's - he went for stronger defenders to create the "Fortress Reebok" mentality, and made sure we passed rather than cleared the ball, but apart from that I'm not sure what he'd add; and other teams have had 2 years to learn how to play against physical football.
Actually, I think Lee had the right idea, but it was too much, too soon, done badly. He tried to make us more free-flowing - we dominated matches under him but with our slower players, a weaker defence and a lack of scoring ability under that style (only Anelka, and only when he could beat the offside trap) we looked poor. And he clearly didn't trust his own signings enough to let them try and be better (mind you, I'm not sure they could have).
It's why I liked Megson when he came in. He talked about the need for greater speed and fitness, stopped the rot and, this summer, bought in players who, on paper, looked like they could deliver a better, faster game. Then he didn't play 'em, instead, doing like Lee and sticking with the older, established team. The only difference is he leaves them to play long-ball rather than getting them to try and run.
So I'm not sure BSA is the right idea. Frankly we need a manager who can motivate the players and get them to play every game like they did against Spam. Unfortunatlely that needs to be someone with a creative mindset which rules out many of the managers available - Dowie, Allardyce, Curbishley, Souness, Reid etc. Maybe that explains why those people are available but we need to find (or poach) someone who can understand the need to mix up creativity and strength.
|
Loftys Roar
Member
| Joined: | Wed Apr 6th, 2005 |
| Location: | London |
| Posts: | 1200 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 11:37 am |
|
When SA left, we were at a level the club had never seen for decades, and for that reason I will always respect SA and would welcome him back if he ever wanted to return.
So when he left we needed someone who could keep us at that level(challenging for Europe year on year). It didnt work out with SL- too higher expectation for a first time manager. If Gartside had any knowledge he would have splashed the cash on a top rated manager, say for arguments sake, Jurgen Klinsmann (I know would never happen!!) knowing that foreign investment was on the increase and a club of BWFCs size would struggle to compete.
Together with his comments last week, further demonstrates to me that appointing GM was a major mistake and if things dont improve he will be gone by December.
____________________
Opinionated, but considers the whole picture.
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:14 pm |
|
Loftys Roar wrote: When SA left, we were at a level the club had never seen for decades, and for that reason I will always respect SA and would welcome him back if he ever wanted to return.
So when he left we needed someone who could keep us at that level(challenging for Europe year on year). It didnt work out with SL- too higher expectation for a first time manager. If Gartside had any knowledge he would have splashed the cash on a top rated manager, say for arguments sake, Jurgen Klinsmann (I know would never happen!!) knowing that foreign investment was on the increase and a club of BWFCs size would struggle to compete.
Together with his comments last week, further demonstrates to me that appointing GM was a major mistake and if things dont improve he will be gone by December.
Is this about 'this season you can stay up with the lowest number of points ever'? Well, for a start, no one has found me the full text of the interview and as I proved on the thread devoted to that subject, there's every possibility he wasn't even talking about us.
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:18 pm |
|
No one has come up with a single inspiring suggestion.
As for BSA, not only would the club not invite him back, Big Sam wouldn't come. To a man of his ego, coming back to Bolton would be an admission that he was wrong to leave. And he'd never admit that. Also, the team that had been brought together over the years was broken up.
It's not going to happen
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Loftys Roar
Member
| Joined: | Wed Apr 6th, 2005 |
| Location: | London |
| Posts: | 1200 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:26 pm |
|
Andy Walsh wrote: Is this about 'this season you can stay up with the lowest number of points ever'? Well, for a start, no one has found me the full text of the interview and as I proved on the thread devoted to that subject, there's every possibility he wasn't even talking about us.
He did mention it was to 'protect' the clubs owned by local business people who cannot compete.
____________________
Opinionated, but considers the whole picture.
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:33 pm |
|
Loftys Roar wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: Is this about 'this season you can stay up with the lowest number of points ever'? Well, for a start, no one has found me the full text of the interview and as I proved on the thread devoted to that subject, there's every possibility he wasn't even talking about us.
He did mention it was to 'protect' the clubs owned by local business people who cannot compete.
Wasn't that the Gartside interview?
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Liam
Member
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:39 pm |
|
Andy Walsh wrote: No one has come up with a single inspiring suggestion.
As for BSA, not only would the club not invite him back, Big Sam wouldn't come. To a man of his ego, coming back to Bolton would be an admission that he was wrong to leave. And he'd never admit that. Also, the team that had been brought together over the years was broken up.
It's not going to happen
Bilic
Keegan
Curbishley
Grant
Ranieri
BSA
Pearce
Coleman
Strachan
Rikjaard
Terim
Ramos
Hiddink
Zico
if possible Brown
Rioch
Is that not a decent list?
I'll throw some other hopefulls in there:
Sherridan
Paatelinen
Darren Fergusson
Coppell
Reid
Peter Taylor
Eriksson
Surely most of them would get us firing?
____________________
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:51 pm |
|
Liam wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: No one has come up with a single inspiring suggestion.
As for BSA, not only would the club not invite him back, Big Sam wouldn't come. To a man of his ego, coming back to Bolton would be an admission that he was wrong to leave. And he'd never admit that. Also, the team that had been brought together over the years was broken up.
It's not going to happen
Bilic - looking for a bigger job
Keegan - disaster waiting to happen
Curbishley - would be similar to Megson, was sacked from West Ham for negative football
Grant - wouldn't come, not high profile enough
Ranieri - same
BSA - not going to happen
Pearce - happy with U21 - what has he done at club level?
Coleman - what has he done at club level apart from survive?
Strachan - er...he's at Celtic - wouldn't come
Rikjaard - wants big club
Terim - wants big club
Ramos - wants big club
Hiddink - wants big club
Zico - wants big club
if possible Brown - happy at Hull
Rioch - too old, not been involved in top flight football - sacked from a club in a crappy league
Is that not a decent list? - no
I'll throw some other hopefulls in there:
Sherridan - too inexperienced
Paatelinen - same
Darren Fergusson - same
Coppell - can't see him coming , happy where he is
Reid - out of the game for too long
Peter Taylor - possible - but no real club success
Eriksson - wnats a big club, now at mexico, couldn't afford
Surely most of them would get us firing? Maybe but how many of that lot would consider us. Would Curbishley be a step in the right direction? Like Sam at Bolton, unlikely to achieve elsewhere.
You'll have to do better than that. Pearce, Coleman etc would be no improvement.
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Liam
Member
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 12:55 pm |
|
but Andy, believe it or not, Bolton are a Premier League club. Why sohlud we not be able to attract some of the managers you have said are looking for a Big club? If we don't enquire we'd never know. I bet you if we drew up a shortlist of ALL the managers you have said want a big club, we'd get one soon enough as we could even be looked at as a stepping stone, where in the short term everyones happy.
Now look at the list again and put yes or no next to them as to whether they are better than Megson. Please.
____________________
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:01 pm |
|
Liam wrote: but Andy, believe it or not, Bolton are a Premier League club. Why sohlud we not be able to attract some of the managers you have said are looking for a Big club? If we don't enquire we'd never know. I bet you if we drew up a shortlist of ALL the managers you have said want a big club, we'd get one soon enough as we could even be looked at as a stepping stone, where in the short term everyones happy.
Now look at the list again and put yes or no next to them as to whether they are better than Megson. Please.
It's not a question as to whether they're better than Megson. It's a question of whether they could become the next Bolton manager if we sacked Megson. If that happened, we'd have the likes of Curbishly, Coleman and O'Leary applying for the job and I'm not sure that they are any better. You can imagine Zico, one of the hottest properties in world football going, tell you what, I just fancy a Carrs pastie. Count me in, I'm off to Lostock! No matter what happens, we are simply not going to attract that kind of manager.
How much do Spurs owe sacked managers? £4M for Ramos? £2M for Jol? We can't afford that kind of money, especially not in this current climate.
Most of the foreign managers that you have mentioned will want Champions League football for their CVs
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Wigan White
606 Veteran
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:22 pm |
|
I've never been a fan of Megson and right from the start I thought he was the wrong choice as manager (although its easy to say that now), even though he did what he was employed to do last season in keeping us up, i still felt we couldn't progress as a team with him in charge, but as he did keep us up last season I gave him the benefit of the doubt. Now his time is up, the bloke is tactically inept and although I did like some of his earlier comments when interviewed, he's now going down the Sammy Lee route of trying to find positives in each game. I know that we have to find somehting good and build on it, but this bloke won't admit when he's got it wrong. As previously stated by everybody he can only send out a team to play one way, or doesn't have the bottle to change things, especially with what happened with Sammy lee when he tried to change it. Megosn doesn't inspire me with his thinking/tactics and its seems from the players body languages/attitudes on the pitch that he doesn't inspire them. He bought some good attacking players in the summer, but seems afraid to use them, or in Elmanders case, afraid to play to his strengths.
This shows in his late substitutions with only bringing Riga on with 4 minutes to go. Plus his latest comments on the substitutions show just how little influence/managerial bottle he has when he said in reply to his late substitutions :-
“Not too many of the players wanted to come off and we were doing okay,” he argued.
“We were creating opportunities and there was no-one playing particularly badly.
“We made the changes purely and simply to put fresh legs on. Everyone has their own opinion when I should have done that but we were causing Spurs some problems even with 10 men.”
Now I maybe wrong, but surely its the manager who decides who is coming off even if a player wants to stay on??????? Whats the point in bringing fresh legs on with only 4 minutes to go??????? not including the fact that we were 2-0 down so exactly how he can say we were doing ok, is beyond me?????
He's far too negative in his tactics and decision amking and has now gone on the defensive against the fans. I don't believe he should be abused by anyone, and as Billy says, he's doing his best but his best isn't good enough, and the question everyone should be asking is if the board will have the balls to admit that they've got it wrong again in the choice of manager, especially after last season Sammy Lee debacle. Too also throw a spanner in the works, I'm not sure who could come in to improve us, as mentioned the usual names of Dowie, Coleman, pearce etc are always thrown into the ring, but I'm not sure if they're are they are the answer. Djorkaeff is doing a good job in russia at the minute, but again he's untried, but maybe thats what we need as reading an interview with him, he's using all BSA's managing techniques and all the backroom staff methods that Allardyce employed. Brown would be ideal for me, but agaion would he come back with how he was treated by Gartside???? the other name I think may do something is Houllier and along those lines, i wonder if its time to look at a foreign manager to try and inject a new style/thought within the club, I've not got a name in mind before people start having a go but maybe thats what we need as all the other "Home grown" managers don't inspire confidence in anyone.
____________________
Who lives in a pineapple under the Sea.......
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:35 pm |
|
Wigan White wrote:
He's far too negative in his tactics and decision amking and has now gone on the defensive against the fans. I don't believe he should be abused by anyone, and as Billy says, he's doing his best but his best isn't good enough, and the question everyone should be asking is if the board will have the balls to admit that they've got it wrong again in the choice of manager, especially after last season Sammy Lee debacle. Too also throw a spanner in the works, I'm not sure who could come in to improve us, as mentioned the usual names of Dowie, Coleman, pearce etc are always thrown into the ring, but I'm not sure if they're are they are the answer. Djorkaeff is doing a good job in russia at the minute, but again he's untried, but maybe thats what we need as reading an interview with him, he's using all BSA's managing techniques and all the backroom staff methods that Allardyce employed. Brown would be ideal for me, but agaion would he come back with how he was treated by Gartside???? the other name I think may do something is Houllier and along those lines, i wonder if its time to look at a foreign manager to try and inject a new style/thought within the club, I've not got a name in mind before people start having a go but maybe thats what we need as all the other "Home grown" managers don't inspire confidence in anyone.
In what way? News to me!! As far as I understand, he was allowed to leave with everyone's blessing to follow his managerial dream.
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Wigan White
606 Veteran
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:44 pm |
|
Andy Walsh wrote: Wigan White wrote:
He's far too negative in his tactics and decision amking and has now gone on the defensive against the fans. I don't believe he should be abused by anyone, and as Billy says, he's doing his best but his best isn't good enough, and the question everyone should be asking is if the board will have the balls to admit that they've got it wrong again in the choice of manager, especially after last season Sammy Lee debacle. Too also throw a spanner in the works, I'm not sure who could come in to improve us, as mentioned the usual names of Dowie, Coleman, pearce etc are always thrown into the ring, but I'm not sure if they're are they are the answer. Djorkaeff is doing a good job in russia at the minute, but again he's untried, but maybe thats what we need as reading an interview with him, he's using all BSA's managing techniques and all the backroom staff methods that Allardyce employed. Brown would be ideal for me, but agaion would he come back with how he was treated by Gartside???? the other name I think may do something is Houllier and along those lines, i wonder if its time to look at a foreign manager to try and inject a new style/thought within the club, I've not got a name in mind before people start having a go but maybe thats what we need as all the other "Home grown" managers don't inspire confidence in anyone.
In what way? News to me!! As far as I understand, he was allowed to leave with everyone's blessing to follow his managerial dream. Andy, I've heard from a good source (Although I know everybody says this, but he is usually very reliable) that Brown wanted the chance to succeed Allardyce as manager of Bolton when Sam retired and was told in no uncertain terms by Gartside that he had no chance of getting the job as he had no experience, then when they appointed Sammy Lee apparantely Brown was furious with Gartside for appointing Lee who had no more experience than him and thought it showed a lack of respect to him.
____________________
Who lives in a pineapple under the Sea.......
|
Andy Walsh
Member
| Joined: | Tue Jan 18th, 2005 |
| Location: | Cockermouth, Cumbria |
| Posts: | 2698 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:49 pm |
|
Wigan White wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: Wigan White wrote:
He's far too negative in his tactics and decision amking and has now gone on the defensive against the fans. I don't believe he should be abused by anyone, and as Billy says, he's doing his best but his best isn't good enough, and the question everyone should be asking is if the board will have the balls to admit that they've got it wrong again in the choice of manager, especially after last season Sammy Lee debacle. Too also throw a spanner in the works, I'm not sure who could come in to improve us, as mentioned the usual names of Dowie, Coleman, pearce etc are always thrown into the ring, but I'm not sure if they're are they are the answer. Djorkaeff is doing a good job in russia at the minute, but again he's untried, but maybe thats what we need as reading an interview with him, he's using all BSA's managing techniques and all the backroom staff methods that Allardyce employed. Brown would be ideal for me, but agaion would he come back with how he was treated by Gartside???? the other name I think may do something is Houllier and along those lines, i wonder if its time to look at a foreign manager to try and inject a new style/thought within the club, I've not got a name in mind before people start having a go but maybe thats what we need as all the other "Home grown" managers don't inspire confidence in anyone.
In what way? News to me!! As far as I understand, he was allowed to leave with everyone's blessing to follow his managerial dream. Andy, I've heard from a good source (Although I know everybody says this, but he is usually very reliable) that Brown wanted the chance to succeed Allardyce as manager of Bolton when Sam retired and was told in no uncertain terms by Gartside that he had no chance of getting the job as he had no experience, then when they appointed Sammy Lee apparantely Brown was furious with Gartside for appointing Lee who had no more experience than him and thought it showed a lack of respect to him.
Possible but Sammy Lee had coached at a much higher level and, again, 'on paper' was a better prospect. I still think Browny would have left. Sam had always planned to be in management for 10 years and then retire. Ten years as an understudy would have been a little too long for anyone to bear.
____________________
“Maybe I am not very human - what I wanted to do was to paint sunlight on the side of a house.” Edward Hopper
|
Woody
Member
| Joined: | Wed Jan 19th, 2005 |
| Location: | Bristol |
| Posts: | 4203 |
| Status: |
Offline
|
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:51 pm |
|
Andy Walsh wrote: No one has come up with a single inspiring suggestion.
This is the one argument that really grindes my gears. Similar to the 'who would you sign' kind of arguments.
It's not our job to come up with the suggestions Andy, we don't put money in our own wallets to let Gary Megson take charge of the team. No, we pay money to watch Gary Megson take charge of our team and let's be honest, it's been garbage. We've had 9 games and how many good performances from the team? Probably about 1 and a half in total. There's been no superb performances, just good. Reasonably at that. In contrast there's been some plain awful ones too.
So, back to the initial point - Gartside shouldn't be reading this hoping we've got the inspiring suggestions to save this football club, he's got the resources - we don't. He needs to use his resources to find a man who can manage this team, rather than coming up with insane ideas about two f***ing Premier Leagues!
____________________
|
Mark08
Member
|
Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 01:58 pm |
|
Woody wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: No one has come up with a single inspiring suggestion.
This is the one argument that really grindes my gears. Similar to the 'who would you sign' kind of arguments.
It's not our job to come up with the suggestions Andy, we don't put money in our own wallets to let Gary Megson take charge of the team. No, we pay money to watch Gary Megson take charge of our team and let's be honest, it's been garbage. We've had 9 games and how many good performances from the team? Probably about 1 and a half in total. There's been no superb performances, just good. Reasonably at that. In contrast there's been some plain awful ones too.
So, back to the initial point - Gartside shouldn't be reading this hoping we've got the inspiring suggestions to save this football club, he's got the resources - we don't. He needs to use his resources to find a man who can manage this team, rather than coming up with insane ideas about two f***ing Premier Leagues!
but surely anybody that publicly demands or suggests that megson should be sacked should be able to suggest who the club should employ in his place. you can't have it both ways.
it's the very reason that i'm not part of the 'megson out' brigade, i can't see anyone else to replace him so as far as i'm concerned we're stuck with him for now. i'm not going to start demanding he be sacked and then say that it's nothing to do with me who is employed in his place.
____________________
-Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. It's just that yours is stupid.
|
|
|
|
|
