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| I've just realised, this is all academic, Megson hasn't been sacked, he's still our manager. Close and re-open after the Everton game.
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D1OUFY wrote: That leaves us with two options. Go for a well known manager who doesn't have a club or take a gamble on a lower league manager.
Whatever happens from now on, will be a big gamble. Personally, would like to see Gus Poyet given a chance. But then again, would it turn into another LSL fiasco.
There was a strong rumour that he was in the running for the Newcastle Job, but then again, that is nothing to shout home about.
Another downer, would be that he only has limited experience as an assistant coach, that being with Swindon, Leeds and Spurs. Okay, do believe the players will respond to him, and also respect him.
Yet, we all know how many assistant coaches make it as managers, so would have to be one helluva gamble to appoint someone like Poyet.
Just mulling things over in my brain, trying to think who would actually come to Bolton, and can only think that it would have to be someone trying to break into a managerial career.
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Posted: Mon Oct 27th, 2008 04:40 pm |
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What would we do if Megson played this team against Everton, bearing in mind we are at home, Everton aren't doing aswell as last season and I think we can have a decent go and get at them;
Jussi
Steinson Cahill AoB JLS - I think the back 4 is pretty settled
Riga Nolan Muamba Gardner
Davies Elmander
I dont think we need five in midfield against Everton - their midfield is typically quite lightweight with Osman, Arteta and Pienaar.
So he puts that team out because thats what we all seem to be asking about. What happens if we lose? Do we still blame Megson?
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Andy Walsh wrote:
I've been trying to think of someone myself but I'm really, really struggling.
Something tells me that you'd struggle to find your arse with your hands.
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If we put that team out, it isn't working and nothing gets changed or instructions sent to the pitch, we blame Megson. If we try, and it doesn't work or the players have individual shockers, you can't blame Megson, unless it's the same player, in which case things need addressing.
Simple.
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The fact of the matter is sometimes you need a manager to make decisions that although the players don't like will make a change to the game. Yesterday, Megson did not do that he brought on Riga and Gardener to late in the game when we were already 2-0 down. Personally, I think it will be more of the same on Wednesday night McCann will be replaced by JOB which just isn't good enough. We have an £8mj striker who's low on confidence because we are too busy hoping he gets knock downs from SKD and a striker on the bench we brought in on loan who is very much proven at international level. We are capable of playing the ball on the floor but we won't if we stick to the same tried and tested Allardyce battle plan.
A change is as good as a rest. For what it's worth and that's pretty much nowt I would play this team Wed night:
Same keeper, same back four, Davies, Nolan and Muamba (mid) Riga, Elmander and Taylor upfront.
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trotter58 wrote: Andy Walsh wrote:
I've been trying to think of someone myself but I'm really, really struggling.
Something tells me that you'd struggle to find your arse with your hands.
yeah, thanks for that
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I agree we should sack Megson without a replacement. The board should be out looking now. If it's found out and undermines his confidence what difference would it make.
I agree the risks of changing manager. But what about the risks of keeping the one we have? I gave him the benefit of the doubt all laste year and supported his continuation in the summer. I'd still love him to change; to play Garner and Riga; to motivate the players to play the ball rather than kick it randomly. But how long do we wait? Megson simply isn't that manager, and the risk is that the ship is sinking.
If I though we couldn't play well enough I'd be annoyed, but say fair enough. The problem is we've seen them do well - Stoke and West Ham. The backbone is there, it's simply finding the right manager who can send them out and make them play well.
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We don't need an untried manager next thats for sure, been there done that. The premiership is the richest league in the world so to paint a picture of dreary old Bolton not having the pull for, not necessarily a top manager but certainly a second tier, quality manager is not unreasonable. For people to just keep saying "give me a name" is ridiculous, you have to hope that this board which has made atrocious decisions twice on the bounce finally gets it third time lucky and comes up with somebody proven who still has ambition in the tank. I could give twenty names but there isn't really much point as i'm sure whatever I come up with the board will be aiming much lower.
Megson was a cheap option, Sammy Lee was a cheap option. Let's hope the board, who have realised that spending money on the playing squad was a necessity also see it's the same case with the manager.
For what it's worth i'd have big sam back at the drop of a hat. For folk to judge him on 6 months in a soap opera like Newcastle over 8 years of success is unjust IMO. It seems that 2 foray's into europe, consecutive top 8 finishes and a cup final isn't enough for some people. If thats stale, i'll take stale over whatever you'd call it now, personally i'd call it another relegation battle at the moment.
In many ways we needed Allardyce to do what he did or the club would have continued to take the pi55, especially with transfers. Billy you are so good at telling us how sh1t his signings were at Newcastle but who brought a player like Anelka to a tin pot club like Bolton? Do you think he signed because of what a fantastic club we were or because of the managers ambition? 8.5 million and sold for 15 mill wasn't it? Doesn't sound like bad business to me, JJ free, Campo, free, Youri free, Ben Haim 250k the guy obviously didn't have a clue about transfers eh? The markets changed of course but I'd trust Allardyce with 20 million over Megson any day of the week.
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Philsfaxmachine wrote:
For what it's worth i'd have big sam back at the drop of a hat. For folk to judge him on 6 months in a soap opera like Newcastle over 8 years of success is unjust IMO. It seems that 2 foray's into europe, consecutive top 8 finishes and a cup final isn't enough for some people. If thats stale, i'll take stale over whatever you'd call it now, personally i'd call it another relegation battle at the moment.
I wish some of you would have thought that when we had him
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D1OUFY wrote: Philsfaxmachine wrote:
For what it's worth i'd have big sam back at the drop of a hat. For folk to judge him on 6 months in a soap opera like Newcastle over 8 years of success is unjust IMO. It seems that 2 foray's into europe, consecutive top 8 finishes and a cup final isn't enough for some people. If thats stale, i'll take stale over whatever you'd call it now, personally i'd call it another relegation battle at the moment.
I wish some of you would have thought that when we had him
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I wish some of you would have thought that when we had him
I hated his football but I never called for his head and was only too aware how the wheels would come off after the magnificent job he had done.
The appointments of Lee and Megson are down to the board, I don't think the majority where happy with either appointment.
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Well certainly some interesting views today. Took a while to read them all.
Any way. I hear some say about how can you sack a manager when you do not have a suitable replacement.
Well everyone is going to have different views on who is, "a suitable manager".
Look at Chelsea how many didn't want Avram Grant or Sven when they where after him. There is very rarely for any club, a manager just waiting there to take the job. Look at the problem England had trying to find the perfect manager.
I understand Andy walsh (sorry to pick you out) when he says find me someone who can replace Megson and thats good. He is just trying to look at realistic and beneficail options. Believe me if I had the resources I would not rest till I found that replacement because I want the club to do well.
Realistically though no one here can truefully and confidently say who would come to the club or who we could get because we really don't know. So we really shouldnt even need to suggest potential managers.
Do you think all the Spurs fans that where doing exactly the same as some of us on here. Where all suggesting Harry Rednapp for the Tottenham job.
I could come up with the perfect name for some and others would be sat looking at the screen saying what a winker.
We can throw many managers name's into the mix and that is all we as fans can do. We can also say we don't want Megson. We can only do whats in our power. Maybe now is when Gartside should be really earing his pay. Thats if he really cares about the club.
I can also see others points of view saying managers with no experience will be a bad move. Maybe but how much experience has Megson had as a manager. Well if I remember rightly 10 years roughly (correct me if im wrong) and hand on heart I just don't think he has what it takes. So you see experience can mean naff all sometimes.
Are you also telling me players like Djorkaeff who have played under some world class managers in their time know nothing about football and tactics and couldn't rally a team to get them going before a match. Am I right in thinking Djorkaeff was a captain in some of his clubs and for his country?
Again you cant please everyone we all have different views although one thing is for sure we all are putting our view's forward because we want the best for BWFC not because we just dont like eachother.
So I will say it again because I belive this is best for the club. MEGSON OUT PLEASE.
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Andy Walsh wrote: Cowdrill wrote: thing is, apart from central midfield , were not a bad squad
its just smeg for brains simply hasnt got a clue about team selections, formations, tactics , motivation , ANYTHING!
and i dont buy the whole first game for a new manager bollox
remmeber Mick McCarthys first game in charge of Sunderland? BSA took us to the stadium of light and we twitted them 2-0
because he knows how to motivate a team
Mick Mc Mccarthy's not in the same calibre as Harry Rednapp though, is he?
how is that relevant? Rednapp didnt even pick the team and was only at the stadium for about an hour before kick off! so his credentials as a manager are irelevant with regards to this one single game
that day at the Stadium of Light , over 40,000 mackems would have electrified that stadium expecting 100% to get a win in McCarthys first game - but Sam was having none of that shite and sent our players out to spoil their day
megson on the other hand gave us no chance of repeating this feat as he sent out a team to stifle and defend and hopefull nick a goal on the break
shite
he bought this team, their HIS players and he hasnt got faith in these players to go out all guns blazing to attack a dreadful Spurs team that has lost to stoke, hull, pompey, boro and sunderland
no, lets be negative and just hope for the best
bollox
time to f**k off and let somebody with a football brain to save us from relegation
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how is that relevant? Rednapp didnt even pick the team and was only at the stadium for about an hour before kick off! so his credentials as a manager are irelevant with regards to this one single game
that day at the Stadium of Light , over 40,000 mackems would have electrified that stadium expecting 100% to get a win in McCarthys first game - but Sam was having none of that shite and sent our players out to spoil their day
megson on the other hand gave us no chance of repeating this feat as he sent out a team to stifle and defend and hopefull nick a goal on the break
shite
he bought this team, their HIS players and he hasnt got faith in these players to go out all guns blazing to attack a dreadful Spurs team that has lost to stoke, hull, pompey, boro and sunderland
no, lets be negative and just hope for the best
bollox
time to f**k off and let somebody with a football brain to save us from relegation
Don't go bringing facts and logic into the argument.
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| BSA would strike fear in the hearts of the Bolton players. Right now they play with no incentive (the incentive being their jobs at stake). BSA would also strike fear in our opponents... you decide if you like that type of play or not... but everyone dreaded facing Bolton at home. Fast forward two years and everyone wants to play Bolton. A quick fix for what ails them! We can not score easily... and let the worst goalkeep in the League come up with a clean sheet. What we need is a clean sweep of management and find a leader who will strike fear into the players as well as the opponents. Inspiration and perspiration are both necessary to survive. Unfortunately, we have neither.
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Cowdrill wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: Cowdrill wrote: thing is, apart from central midfield , were not a bad squad
its just smeg for brains simply hasnt got a clue about team selections, formations, tactics , motivation , ANYTHING!
and i dont buy the whole first game for a new manager bollox
remmeber Mick McCarthys first game in charge of Sunderland? BSA took us to the stadium of light and we twitted them 2-0
because he knows how to motivate a team
Mick Mc Mccarthy's not in the same calibre as Harry Rednapp though, is he?
how is that relevant? Rednapp didnt even pick the team and was only at the stadium for about an hour before kick off! so his credentials as a manager are irelevant with regards to this one single game
that day at the Stadium of Light , over 40,000 mackems would have electrified that stadium expecting 100% to get a win in McCarthys first game - but Sam was having none of that shite and sent our players out to spoil their day
megson on the other hand gave us no chance of repeating this feat as he sent out a team to stifle and defend and hopefull nick a goal on the break
shite
he bought this team, their HIS players and he hasnt got faith in these players to go out all guns blazing to attack a dreadful Spurs team that has lost to stoke, hull, pompey, boro and sunderland
no, lets be negative and just hope for the best
bollox
time to f**k off and let somebody with a football brain to save us from relegation
Actually, it was him, I believe, that told Modric to have more freedom in the role. Don't forget the same Sam went to the Stadium of Light when they were rock bottom and was more than pleased with a 0-0 draw. Don't anyone tell me that Sam's priority was attacking football. It was a clean sheet every time and, certainly, in the latter years, that was his one true strategy for the season.
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trotter58 wrote: Cowdrill wrote:
how is that relevant? Rednapp didnt even pick the team and was only at the stadium for about an hour before kick off! so his credentials as a manager are irelevant with regards to this one single game
that day at the Stadium of Light , over 40,000 mackems would have electrified that stadium expecting 100% to get a win in McCarthys first game - but Sam was having none of that shite and sent our players out to spoil their day
megson on the other hand gave us no chance of repeating this feat as he sent out a team to stifle and defend and hopefull nick a goal on the break
shite
he bought this team, their HIS players and he hasnt got faith in these players to go out all guns blazing to attack a dreadful Spurs team that has lost to stoke, hull, pompey, boro and sunderland
no, lets be negative and just hope for the best
bollox
time to f**k off and let somebody with a football brain to save us from relegation
Don't go bringing facts and logic into the argument.
Why did you bother posting that? I think you'll find most of my posts full of both facts and logic.
You seem to be brusing for a fight or something. I think you should go and lie down in a darkened room. If you can't debate sensibly, don't bother.
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Ive read this debate with interest but hadn't contributed up to now because I'm torn between both sides.
Prior to Sunday, my view was, and I agree with Andy here, was that Megson was slowly turning things around. I believed the team and their style were evolving (albeit very slowly) and I said on here that if he keeps us up this year we could be a very good side within the next couple of years.
Unfortunately, the nagging doubt I had about Megsons tactics were borne out on Sunday. My concern was that our main target in games was to keep a clean sheet and see what we could nick up the other end. When we go 1 up we look a good bet to hang onto our lead, but when we go 1 down you know that the best we can hope for is a 1-1 draw. I cant recall a time when chasing a game we have really 'gone for it' and thrown men forwards and the substitutions coming as late as they did on Sunday, frankly beggared belief.
Megson was nobodys choice at the time of his appointment but in the end I think the majority of Bolton fans have tried to give him a fair crack of the whip. If the decision to sack him is made then I dont see whats wrong with replacing him with say Hoddle or Souness. They both have a better record than Megson, and we took a chance on him.
ALternatively a Coyle, Grayson or Ferguson would be worth a punt for the same reason. I dont see the logic in the argument that they have little experience when we appointed Megson on such an unsound record.
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“We have a fantastic tendency at Bolton to make a mountain out of every molehill”
well Gary, you have a fantastic tendency to bore the crud out of the fans of said club with your mindless so-called management
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Will never Boo, or cause protest at Bolton.
When at the Reebok, I give 100% support to the team/management etc. on what they do on the field of play.
Only afterwards, will I give an analysis of Manager, team etc.
I believe that all supporters, whatever they think, full support should be given, during a game.
Let arguments/debates and any other problems outside of "The Reebok". occur on Forums, not at the ground.
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Any one else rate Neil Warnock from Crystal Palace. Another possibility that just sprang to mind he certainly gets the best out of his teams I think.
I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up appointing him. Would give us a few laughs to in his after match interviews.
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BringBackBurndenPark wrote: Any one else rate Neil Warnock from Crystal Palace. Another possibility that just sprang to mind he certainly gets the best out of his teams I think.
I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up appointing him. Would give us a few laughs to in his after match interviews.
Big fan of his personality, not so much of his managerial talent. Not sure he'd do any better than Megson.
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trotter58 wrote: Andy Walsh wrote:
I think you'll find i'm full of shit.
Wowwwwwwwwww
The maturest response EVER on Bolton Banter - I congratulate you.
Are you not used to having someone disagree with you? What's your problem?
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Andy Walsh wrote: trotter58 wrote: Andy Walsh wrote:
I think you'll find i'm full of shit.
Wowwwwwwwwww
The maturest response EVER on Bolton Banter - I congratulate you.
Are you not used to having someone disagree with you? What's your problem?
it's hard being a teenager these days. acne, peer group pressure, the inability to find a girlfriend, wondering if those feelings towards your best mate make you gay etc.
it's no wonder he's come here to abuse people in a cowardly manner where he can be anonymous.
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BringBackBurndenPark wrote:
Any one else rate Neil Warnock from Crystal Palace. Another possibility that just sprang to mind he certainly gets the best out of his teams I think.
I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up appointing him. Would give us a few laughs to in his after match interviews.
Erm no, I'd rather have cowdrill's nan in the dugout.
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Mark08 wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: trotter58 wrote: Andy Walsh wrote:
I think you'll find i'm full of shit.
Wowwwwwwwwww
The maturest response EVER on Bolton Banter - I congratulate you.
Are you not used to having someone disagree with you? What's your problem?
it's hard being a teenager these days. acne, peer group pressure, the inability to find a girlfriend, wondering if those feelings towards your best mate make you gay etc.
it's no wonder he's come here to abuse people in a cowardly manner where he can be anonymous.
Can't wait til Sunday so I'll be 20 and no longer tarred by this teenager brush 
I've always said I'd wait til 10 games to judge Megson and it's been nine so I'll wait til after the Everton game, but I'll say at this point that it'll take a lot to impress me and at the moment I don't want him here past Christmas.
However, people like Andy have made the excellent point that we shouldn't sack the manager until we find a replacement. Look at Spurs, they had 2 points, but didn't sack Ramos until they'd contacted Redknapp about it. I don't see any quality managers sitting in jobs thinking "if the Bolton job came up, I'd take it at the drop of a hat". That was the case with Harry and Spurs, but isn't the case for anyone and Bolton, I don't feel.
It's a toughy because we aren't doing well, that's true, but it's hard to think who could replace Meggo. Dowie still lives in Bolton as far as I know...
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le god wrote: BringBackBurndenPark wrote:
Any one else rate Neil Warnock from Crystal Palace. Another possibility that just sprang to mind he certainly gets the best out of his teams I think.
I certainly wouldn't be disappointed if we ended up appointing him. Would give us a few laughs to in his after match interviews.
Erm no, I'd rather have cowdrill's nan in the dugout.
I don't think we need to know where you'd like to have Cowdrill's Nan, thank you!!
Oh.....I see what you mean now. 
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