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Catte Strophe
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 12:30 pm |
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craig bwfc wrote: We can beat hull if we attack them i am confident we can get the three points which will get us out of the relegation zone.I also think if elmander is back on saturday he could finally get his 2nd goal for us and his first away goal i think we'll win 2-1 nolan and elmander with the goals and if elmander is injured then i think taylor will score the other goal.
Yep that is the line "We can beat Hull if we attack them" tragically i feel we will adopt a defensive posture and concede a stupid goal because we drop to deep and allow Geovanni into range (anywhere inside 40 yards)...
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BringBackBurndenPark
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 01:02 pm |
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I reckon Hull will do us on the counter.
Hmm Sounds wrong that.
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 04:30 pm |
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| Nolan suspended for weekend
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 04:41 pm |
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| mccann is fit (carrying no injuries) though, so its ok Last edited on Tue Nov 4th, 2008 04:50 pm by le god
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 04:49 pm |
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le god wrote: mccann is fit though, so its ok
I'd never looked at him 'like that'...but now you come to mention it...
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 04:50 pm |
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Ifs Buts and Maybes wrote: le god wrote: mccann is fit though, so its ok
I'd never looked at him 'like that'...but now you come to mention it...
haha might have to go back and edit that post now 
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J-Elmander
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 05:20 pm |
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| Gardner to score 2
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liamBWFC
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 06:27 pm |
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| I tell a lie, i'm on coach 23. seats 4, 7, 8.
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 08:19 pm |
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liamBWFC wrote: I tell a lie, i'm on coach 23. seats 4, 7, 8.
you been eating too many pies?
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liamBWFC
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 09:03 pm |
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Lol, cheeky 
Forgot to ask for them at the back so the 3 of us could sit together as well as abit more needed leg room. Ah well, at least its only a short[ish] journey
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Cromptons Crusader
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Posted: Tue Nov 4th, 2008 09:22 pm |
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amazing ...... why is everyone now pushing for smolarek when we have seen little of him..... like Riga his reputation grows every game he doesnt play !!!!!!
Hull have started well but we should still be going up there for three points and my team if all fit (except for Nolan who is suspended)
Jussi
Steinsson AOB Cahill JLS
Muamba McCann
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Catte Strophe
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 03:19 pm |
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| Thought Elmander was due back ? would rest McCann and let Taylor loose in centre midfield, I guess however either Riga or Gardener will be benched as we try to grind out a nil nil, almost feel sorry for the Hull fans now they will get a feel for the real Premiership..
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melbourne dave
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 06:30 pm |
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Well I have seen Smolarek play for Poland a few times and think he is a decent player.
Would he be good in the premier league? who knows, but until a certain person decides to put out a team with two out and out strikers or uses the bench them we will not know.
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 07:01 pm |
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| elmo and riga both fit for hull
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Liam
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 08:04 pm |
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Cowdrill wrote: elmo and riga both fit for hull good stuff!
I'd play:
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Steinsson.....Cahill......AOB........JLS
Riga........Taylor......Macann/Muamba.......Gardner
...........Davies............Elmander/Smolarek
For the lineup I'd be happy if either players play that I've put both names in, as long as the rest do in the position I put them in to.
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 09:08 pm |
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| cant see mugson starting both riga and gardner team will probaly line up like this jussi steinsson cahill aob jls taylor macann muamba gardner davies elmander will be really surprised if he is so bold after what we have seen so far this season
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Cromptons Crusader
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 10:09 pm |
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| i know i meantioned it above but the more i think about the more it appeals to me..... leave Riga and Gardner out wide giving us both pace and attacking options..... muamba and mccann giving defensive cover to the back four and allowing muamba to push forward for mccann to cover and finally super kev sitting upfront on his own as he likes it laying it off / chesting down / heading back to Matty Taylor 25yds out centre field to replace the suspended nolan !!!
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Posted: Wed Nov 5th, 2008 10:10 pm |
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Liam wrote: Elmander/Smolarek
I wish.......
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 05:04 am |
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Megoo is sure to pick Macca 
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 02:11 pm |
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Cowdrill wrote: elmo and riga both fit for hull
How long has he been playing for us?
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 02:15 pm |
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| Just had an "Offish Text", and didn't want to start a New Thread, but Vaz Te, will not be in the Squad for Saturdays game, since he is out for the Rest of the Season, due to surgery on a knee complaint.
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Howfen White
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 02:16 pm |
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bdi wrote: Just had an "Offish Text", and didn't want to start a New Thread, but Vaz Te, will not be in the Squad for Saturdays game, since he is out for the Rest of the Season, due to surgery on a knee complaint.
The whole season?! Has he had his leg chopped off or something?
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bdi
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 02:19 pm |
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Howfen White wrote: bdi wrote: Just had an "Offish Text", and didn't want to start a New Thread, but Vaz Te, will not be in the Squad for Saturdays game, since he is out for the Rest of the Season, due to surgery on a knee complaint.
The whole season?! Has he had his leg chopped off or something?
Might be having stabilisers fitted...
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 02:57 pm |
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| Oh Phil Brown for the Bolton Job
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D1OUFY
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 04:56 pm |
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Brown owes it all to Whites
5:00pm Thursday 6th November 2008
By Gordon Sharrock »
LISTENING to Phil Brown you get the feeling you’ve heard it all before.
The fact is, you have. He’s Hull City’s manager now – and doing a good job of it too – but the words sound so familiar.
The season is divided into four phases – three of 10, one of eight – which each have their points targets based on expected results in specific games: points against the big four teams are a bonus, games against teams in and around your target position in the league are must-win.
When you do come up against the title-chasers, you get in their faces, disrupt their rhythm and test their mettle. You never try to match them for quality.
It was the recipe for Wanderers’ success story when Brown worked alongside Sam Allardyce at Bolton Wanderers, guiding them from the bottom half of the second tier to the top six of the Premiership and into Europe.
And it’s the recipe he is following now after taking Hull to the top flight of English football for the first time in their history.
“It’s the formula,” Brown says, repeating the mantra that became so familiar in the Allardyce era.
“We’ve had the first batch of 10 games, which saw us take 20 points from the first nine, and now we’re into the second. Unfortunately, that started with the defeat at Old Trafford on Saturday but we did get something out of that game in terms of pride – scoring three goals at Manchester United.
“Hopefully, that pride will give us something to take into the next game – and that game just happens to see me going head to head with the club that set me on my way as a player, as a coach, as an assistant manager. The club I owe so much to.”
Not only has Brown adopted the same methods that proved so successful in his Reebok days, but he’s also turned to some of the same players. Jay-Jay Okocha and Henrik Pedersen played significant roles last season when the Tigers – bottom of the Championship when Brown was appointed manager in January 2007 – clinched promotion via the play-offs. They have moved on but Stelios has pitched up at the KC Stadium and Bernard Mendy, who played such an exciting part in helping keep Wanderers in the Premiership in 2003, is in Brown’s starting 11.
“I knew the players and I knew what they were capable of,” Brown explained. “Henrik did a great job and he would have been playing on the left for me again this season if he hadn’t decided to go back to Denmark and, although Jay Jay only played 11 games, he was a catalyst for what happened here last season.
“He raised the profile, raised the mentality of the players and put a lot of smiles on faces.”
In fact there’s so much of Bolton Wanderers in Brown’s actions and words you fear he is in danger of being denied some of the credit he deserves for the job he is doing.
Some managers might not have taken kindly to their old boss jumping on the bandwagon – as Allardyce appeared to do at the weekend when he said: “I take great pride in what Phil Brown is now achieving . . . I helped him along the way and he is now proving that I was right to have him alongside me”.
But Brown is only too happy for Big Sam to take his rightful share of the plaudits.
“I’m quite happy for my former manager taking some of the credit for my success,” he said. “He deserves it and he is still my mate.
“There are some of his methods I have employed and some that I haven’t, but the fundamentals are the same.
“I still laugh at that long-ball rubbish people used to spout about us. It’s crazy, here at Hull we’ve been getting praise for the way we’ve been positively attacking teams – as we did against Arsenal and Manchester United – but when you come down to the basics, I’m a defensive coach, just like Sam.”
As the summariser for Sky TV’s coverage of the Wanderers-Man City game on Sunday, Brown got a bird’s eye view of Gary Megson’s side ahead of Saturday’s showdown at the KC Stadium. And he doesn’t mind admitting that he was impressed to see that many of the old methods are still being employed.
“Whenever you come up against a Bolton Wanderers side, you’re always guaranteed spirit,” he said. “That’s what I sampled on Sunday, the old-fashioned Bolton Wanderers spirit.
“I’ve no doubt Gary Megson’s been asking for that all season but, for some reason, it hasn’t produced the goals that you always need to keep belief and confidence levels high.
“If Kevin Davies, Johan Elmander, Gareth Taylor and, more to the point, Kevin Nolan aren’t scoring goals, you’re relying on keeping clean sheets and the quality in this division makes that very difficult indeed.
“Sunday’s game was going to hinge on some magic or quality from City’s midfield or on Bolton’s drive and determination. And it turned out to be the latter – a typical Bolton performance – and, I have to say, the supporters were absolutely outstanding, especially in the second half. That’s probably the reason they got the result.
“Managers may change, personnel may change but it seems the methodology is still there.”
Why oh why didnt we employ him?!
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 05:26 pm |
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D1OUFY
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 06:02 pm |
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pfk505 wrote: who's Gareth Taylor?
I assumed he meant Matty
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Posted: Thu Nov 6th, 2008 07:39 pm |
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Sarcasm is lost on you D1OUFY ? 
Why Sharrock doesnt [correct] that is funny
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Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 09:55 am |
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D1OUFY wrote: Why oh why didnt we employ him?!
Because we almost all agreed that after being sacked from Derby, he wasn't ready. Time will tell if he's as good as he looks right now....particularly after the all important second season.
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Posted: Fri Nov 7th, 2008 11:08 am |
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There's no possible way to know if Brown would've been successful had we employed him last summer. He would have inherited a team that was collapsing, there's no doubt about it. Faye wanted out and Ben Haim wanted out; the two most influential defenders we had at the time. Campo was running out of legs, and Gerald Cid was a squad member.
Would he have addressed the issues that we all knew needed addressing, i.e. the defence? Well, he probably would've done better than Sammy Lee at doing that because for all that Andy O'brien has done, we all know that he was too little, too late. As it was proved.
Having said all this, I'd snap off the hands of anyone offering me Phil Brown right now. With the first team that Megson has assembled he could easily push us up the table. And that's the thing that's wrong with Megson isn't it, I've been more than impressed with the majority of signings, his team can easily cope in this league, but the way he has us playing costs us games. If Brown inherited this team we would not be scrapping away like we are.
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