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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 09:08 am |
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Red White and Blue wrote: Great win. he-who-shall-not-be-named is proving all the naysayers wrong. Loyalty and positivity will prevail everytime. Taylors goal was good but I thought his pass to Gardener and Gardner's goal was the biggest highlight.
yes he is but they usually stay away when we win, they'll be back with a vengeance the next time we lose or draw.
one thing that he-who-shall-not-be-named hasn't been given credit for that cannot be denied is the resurgence of ricardo gardner. he's a much better winger under he-who-shall-not-be-named than he was a left back under sam.
welcome back riccy 
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 09:39 am |
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| Moment of the match = Shittu running at full speed and knocking over that Taylor guy for them who had only just come on. Would be like being hit by a bus! Speaking of which, once he gets going he isn't that slow, maybe it is because it only takes him 4 or 5 steps to get back into position... reminds me of Henrik Pedersen the way he runs, once he gets going, unstoppable!
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le god
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 09:48 am |
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Mark08 wrote: Red White and Blue wrote: Great win. he-who-shall-not-be-named is proving all the naysayers wrong. Loyalty and positivity will prevail everytime. Taylors goal was good but I thought his pass to Gardener and Gardner's goal was the biggest highlight.
yes he is but they usually stay away when we win, they'll be back with a vengeance the next time we lose or draw.
one thing that he-who-shall-not-be-named hasn't been given credit for that cannot be denied is the resurgence of ricardo gardner. he's a much better winger under he-who-shall-not-be-named than he was a left back under sam.
welcome back riccy
Apart from the year he was the best left back in the division. Oh and last season under he-who-shall-not-be-named he was one of the worst players in white.
This season he has been amazing, credit to the lad proved me wrong time and time again with great performances.
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Mark08
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 10:19 am |
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le god wrote: Mark08 wrote: Red White and Blue wrote: Great win. he-who-shall-not-be-named is proving all the naysayers wrong. Loyalty and positivity will prevail everytime. Taylors goal was good but I thought his pass to Gardener and Gardner's goal was the biggest highlight.
yes he is but they usually stay away when we win, they'll be back with a vengeance the next time we lose or draw.
one thing that he-who-shall-not-be-named hasn't been given credit for that cannot be denied is the resurgence of ricardo gardner. he's a much better winger under he-who-shall-not-be-named than he was a left back under sam.
welcome back riccy
Apart from the year he was the best left back in the division. Oh and last season under he-who-shall-not-be-named he was one of the worst players in white.
This season he has been amazing, credit to the lad proved me wrong time and time again with great performances.
BEST left back in the premiership? i won't argue, you obviously need that contrived "fact" to bring a negative to a positive subject.
well done.
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le god
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 01:20 pm |
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Mark08 wrote:
le god wrote: Mark08 wrote: Red White and Blue wrote: Great win. he-who-shall-not-be-named is proving all the naysayers wrong. Loyalty and positivity will prevail everytime. Taylors goal was good but I thought his pass to Gardener and Gardner's goal was the biggest highlight.
yes he is but they usually stay away when we win, they'll be back with a vengeance the next time we lose or draw.
one thing that he-who-shall-not-be-named hasn't been given credit for that cannot be denied is the resurgence of ricardo gardner. he's a much better winger under he-who-shall-not-be-named than he was a left back under sam.
welcome back riccy
Apart from the year he was the best left back in the division. Oh and last season under he-who-shall-not-be-named he was one of the worst players in white.
This season he has been amazing, credit to the lad proved me wrong time and time again with great performances.
BEST left back in the premiership? i won't argue, you obviously need that contrived "fact" to bring a negative to a positive subject.
well done.
he was in the team of the year was he not?
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Mark08
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 01:43 pm |
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le god wrote: Mark08 wrote:
le god wrote: Mark08 wrote: Red White and Blue wrote: Great win. he-who-shall-not-be-named is proving all the naysayers wrong. Loyalty and positivity will prevail everytime. Taylors goal was good but I thought his pass to Gardener and Gardner's goal was the biggest highlight.
yes he is but they usually stay away when we win, they'll be back with a vengeance the next time we lose or draw.
one thing that he-who-shall-not-be-named hasn't been given credit for that cannot be denied is the resurgence of ricardo gardner. he's a much better winger under he-who-shall-not-be-named than he was a left back under sam.
welcome back riccy
Apart from the year he was the best left back in the division. Oh and last season under he-who-shall-not-be-named he was one of the worst players in white.
This season he has been amazing, credit to the lad proved me wrong time and time again with great performances.
BEST left back in the premiership? i won't argue, you obviously need that contrived "fact" to bring a negative to a positive subject.
well done.
he was in the team of the year was he not?
don't know. i don't pay much attention to that sort of thing, as far as i'm concerned it's not possible to accurately gauge which player is better than another over 38 games, too many factors aren't and can't be taken into account.
as far as i'm concerned, gardner is and always will be an attacking player who can play at left back. also as far as i'm concerned he has played better this season in an attacking role than he played as a left back.
one thing i am interested in though is that you think he's been 'amazing' this season, which superlative did you use when he was the best in the premiership?
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le god
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 01:48 pm |
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Mark08 wrote:
le god wrote: Mark08 wrote:
le god wrote: Mark08 wrote: Red White and Blue wrote: Great win. he-who-shall-not-be-named is proving all the naysayers wrong. Loyalty and positivity will prevail everytime. Taylors goal was good but I thought his pass to Gardener and Gardner's goal was the biggest highlight.
yes he is but they usually stay away when we win, they'll be back with a vengeance the next time we lose or draw.
one thing that he-who-shall-not-be-named hasn't been given credit for that cannot be denied is the resurgence of ricardo gardner. he's a much better winger under he-who-shall-not-be-named than he was a left back under sam.
welcome back riccy
Apart from the year he was the best left back in the division. Oh and last season under he-who-shall-not-be-named he was one of the worst players in white.
This season he has been amazing, credit to the lad proved me wrong time and time again with great performances.
BEST left back in the premiership? i won't argue, you obviously need that contrived "fact" to bring a negative to a positive subject.
well done.
he was in the team of the year was he not?
don't know. i don't pay much attention to that sort of thing, as far as i'm concerned it's not possible to accurately gauge which player is better than another over 38 games, too many factors aren't and can't be taken into account.
as far as i'm concerned, gardner is and always will be an attacking player who can play at left back. also as far as i'm concerned he has played better this season in an attacking role than he played as a left back.
one thing i am interested in though is that you think he's been 'amazing' this season, which superlative did you use when he was the best in the premiership?
erm.. fcuking amazing? i don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees that the 04-05 season (i think it was) he was phenomenal easily one of the best in the prem, and i don't think many will disagree that he was complete pants last season.
What im trying to say is its great that he has finally found his way back to his best form... nothing negative in that. But i will defend Allardyce because he had a similarly good season under him that he's having this time around.
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Mark08
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 01:57 pm |
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le god wrote: Mark08 wrote:
le god wrote: Mark08 wrote:
le god wrote: Mark08 wrote: Red White and Blue wrote: Great win. he-who-shall-not-be-named is proving all the naysayers wrong. Loyalty and positivity will prevail everytime. Taylors goal was good but I thought his pass to Gardener and Gardner's goal was the biggest highlight.
yes he is but they usually stay away when we win, they'll be back with a vengeance the next time we lose or draw.
one thing that he-who-shall-not-be-named hasn't been given credit for that cannot be denied is the resurgence of ricardo gardner. he's a much better winger under he-who-shall-not-be-named than he was a left back under sam.
welcome back riccy
Apart from the year he was the best left back in the division. Oh and last season under he-who-shall-not-be-named he was one of the worst players in white.
This season he has been amazing, credit to the lad proved me wrong time and time again with great performances.
BEST left back in the premiership? i won't argue, you obviously need that contrived "fact" to bring a negative to a positive subject.
well done.
he was in the team of the year was he not?
don't know. i don't pay much attention to that sort of thing, as far as i'm concerned it's not possible to accurately gauge which player is better than another over 38 games, too many factors aren't and can't be taken into account.
as far as i'm concerned, gardner is and always will be an attacking player who can play at left back. also as far as i'm concerned he has played better this season in an attacking role than he played as a left back.
one thing i am interested in though is that you think he's been 'amazing' this season, which superlative did you use when he was the best in the premiership?
erm.. fcuking amazing? i don't think you'll find anyone who disagrees that the 04-05 season (i think it was) he was phenomenal easily one of the best in the prem, and i don't think many will disagree that he was complete pants last season.
What im trying to say is its great that he has finally found his way back to his best form... nothing negative in that. But i will defend Allardyce because he had a similarly good season under him that he's having this time around.
what i posted wasn't intended to be an insult to allardyce in any way, i still have an immense amount of respect for the man. he switched gardner to a problem position and gardner flourished.
my point is that gardner is an attacking player first and foremost, it seems more natural to him and he looks a lot more comfortable at being back there. he-who-shall-not-be-named could have kept him at left back and given the amount of abuse that samuel has had in the past he probably would have won over a few of the idiots that claim he's bad for the club in doing so. thankfully he moved gardner back to his natural position and we've all seen the results.
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 04:19 pm |
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| Very happy with that win, I thought it would be a lot more difficult.. though it could have been different if Boro had taken their chances. I thought everyone played well especially Gardner, what a game he had, assist on one goal scores another and was in the center of a few other moves which could have produced something. We did what we needed to do today, which was to take our chances. A few more points and I figure we're safe.
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 04:19 pm |
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....and back on topic.......
Personally, I thought we didn't play that well yesterday, particularly after going one up in the first half when we looked for all the world like we were going to sit deep and hang on for grim death for 80 minutes. I still can't believe that playing against Boro, THE worst team in the division this year bar non, we had 11 players in the box to defend a corner. For God's sake, what do we do with the ball once we clear it if no one is there to run with it or hold it up???
Despite a poor performance, we ground out a good result and finally put the match to bed. At 2-1 I was still very nervous, particularly with Tuncay popping up unmarked at the edge of the box at every set piece. On another day he would have had a hat-trick.
Shittu was outstanding yesterday and should get a start every week with performances like his last 3. He reads the game very well and his commitment is 100% through 90 minutes. Looking at the team yesterday, I came up with the thought that we now have the worst midfield we have had for some seasons in attacking terms and that is where the problems are being caused. Elmander is looking poorer every match and poor Smolarek must wonder what the hell he has to do to get a start.
Great result, sees us safe (virtually) but call me picky, I still didn't enjoy myself like I have in past seasons and Im still not even remotely tempted to buy anoter ST.
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 05:18 pm |
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Salford White wrote: I came up with the thought that we now have the worst midfield we have had for some seasons in attacking terms
What? Ricardo Gardner played out of his skin yesterday getting forward, Taylor scored and set up three of the goals and is on what, 9 goals now? Ok, Muamba has been hit and miss all season but McCann holds back, someone has to!
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 05:26 pm |
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Gardner worked hard, but Im not convinced he had a great game, Taylor was absent for most of the first half, the free kick excepted. How many times did our midfield link up with our front two? How many times could Elmander have been set through one on one if only someone could spot a ball between the centra backs.....not that Elmo would have scored.......
Too many times this season, our midfield has come off second best at best and at worst, seemed entirely clueless. I give you, City, West Brom, Blackburn, Fulham, Liverpool, Everton..........its a long list and thats just the home games.
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 05:29 pm |
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| There is no link with the attackers yes, but there never really has been at this football club!
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 06:27 pm |
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Howfen White wrote: There is no link with the attackers yes, but there never really has been at this football club!
yes, 2002/2003 season
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 06:32 pm |
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Howfen White wrote: Just seen this on the official site:
Don't forget that you can read more from the skipper in this weekend's programme. The Middlesbrough edition features exclusive interviews with Joey O'Brien and Michael Ricketts, plus Academy Manager Jimmy Phillips talks about his time at Ayresome Park during his playing days. Look out for the numerous programme sellers positioned throughout the Reebok Stadium on the matchday.
What the bloody hell is he doing in it? I'd love to see what he has to say. 'I really wish I never left Bolton and it's only because my head got bigger than my arse, I flicked up, please can I come back and clean Kevin Davies' boots?'
If anyone gets the programme please type up what he said, would be much appreicated!
anybody read it ?
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Have only seen highlights, agree with the praise for Gardner's goal - awesome all round. Not forgetting the cross for Davies' goal, couldn't ask for a better ball into the box. Thought Elmander did very well for Cahill's goal - a lot of players would have got that wrong.
Fantastic result, that pretty much makes us safe in my book.
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Posted: Sun Apr 5th, 2009 11:26 pm |
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Woody wrote: Fantastic result, that pretty much makes us safe in my book.
On Teletext GM says that we are now safe from relegation.
IMO, the wrong thing to state. If he had said, that this has taken a lot of pressure of us, and we can now try and start playing attractive attacking football, then I would have not minded.
But to say that we are safe, (in most likeliehood we most probably are), tells me more and more about GM's attitude towards his management style.
It is not about winning, but surviving. Not the right way to take the club forward.
So I am looking forward to a similar kind of season next year, and this is one of the things that I do not want to spend the rest of my life doing.
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bdi wrote: Woody wrote: Fantastic result, that pretty much makes us safe in my book.
On Teletext GM says that we are now safe from relegation.
IMO, the wrong thing to state. If he had said, that this has taken a lot of pressure of us, and we can now try and start playing attractive attacking football, then I would have not minded.
But to say that we are safe, (in most likeliehood we most probably are), tells me more and more about GM's attitude towards his management style.
It is not about winning, but surviving. Not the right way to take the club forward.
So I am looking forward to a similar kind of season next year, and this is one of the things that I do not want to spend the rest of my life doing.
i think thats a mis-quote, BDI
listening to his interview after the match on Radio Mancs, he actually says while we're not mathematically safe, we're not safe - the result took a bit of pressure off, but we are by no means taking our foot off the gas
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 07:02 am |
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Salford White wrote: Gardner worked hard, but Im not convinced he had a great game, Taylor was absent for most of the first half, the free kick excepted.
But then Ronaldo was absent for about 88 minutes in the Man U game yesterday, but popped up with two goals. If one of our midfielders creates three goals and scores another, i can put up with him being absent at times. Some of the better English midfielders over the last 20 years have been guilty of going walkies during games, but they make up for it in other ways.
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Granted Billy. Did anyone else notice that during the Newcastle match on MOTD on Saturday night, during the 8 minutes it was being shown, Nolan wasn't mentioned once?!
Good bit of business that.
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Salford White noticed:
Granted Billy. Did anyone else notice that during the Newcastle match on MOTD on Saturday night, during the 8 minutes it was being shown, Nolan wasn't mentioned once?!
Good bit of business that.
Looks like they've found him out:
http://www.newcastle.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=150134
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Mark08 wrote:
what i posted wasn't intended to be an insult to allardyce in any way, i still have an immense amount of respect for the man. he switched gardner to a problem position and gardner flourished.
my point is that gardner is an attacking player first and foremost, it seems more natural to him and he looks a lot more comfortable at being back there. he-who-shall-not-be-named could have kept him at left back and given the amount of abuse that samuel has had in the past he probably would have won over a few of the idiots that claim he's bad for the club in doing so. thankfully he moved gardner back to his natural position and we've all seen the results.
its todd that made him the attacking player, initially he was just the left back, and i believe he still just players left back for jamaica..
but i agree, he's miles better when let off the leash.. i also think his play with samuel is getting better and better ... but of course it's samuel who gets the grief when it goes wrong 
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 09:19 am |
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Salford White wrote: Granted Billy. Did anyone else notice that during the Newcastle match on MOTD on Saturday night, during the 8 minutes it was being shown, Nolan wasn't mentioned once?!
Good bit of business that.
I have to admit that regarding Nolan, i was firmly in the 'Ok, he hasn't played that well for ages, but we play better with him on the pitch' camp. But I hold my hands up and admit i was wrong. We are better without him and I don't see any signs that he's rejuvenating Newcastle. Now I can look at his game with some neutrality, I can see what a great bit of business he-who-shall-not-be-named did!!
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bdi wrote: Woody wrote: Fantastic result, that pretty much makes us safe in my book.
On Teletext GM says that we are now safe from relegation.
IMO, the wrong thing to state. If he had said, that this has taken a lot of pressure of us, and we can now try and start playing attractive attacking football, then I would have not minded.
But to say that we are safe, (in most likeliehood we most probably are), tells me more and more about GM's attitude towards his management style.
It is not about winning, but surviving. Not the right way to take the club forward.
So I am looking forward to a similar kind of season next year, and this is one of the things that I do not want to spend the rest of my life doing neither do i, i really dont think i can stomach another season of GM.
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bdi wrote: It is not about winning, but surviving. Not the right way to take the club forward.
Welcome to football in 2009.
The majority of PL clubs are now 'In the PL for the sake of being in the PL'. We get to see top teams play at the Reebok. We get money from Sky that keeps us from going under. But the chances of winning some silverware are reduced with every season that goes by.
There are now 5 clubs in the PL who consider themselves capable of winning the PL (I include City when they get a decent manager and spend some money). They can't all win the PL, so they have to target the FA and League Cups. They have to show something for all the money they have spent. We've discussed our disinterest in the UEFA Cup ad nauseum, so I won't do it again.
The pundits don't care about anyone outside the top 4 or 5. To them, it's all about the rest providing cannon fodder for the top teams on their way to glory.
At this point you have to decide whether you really want to watch football in the modern age. This is it. Even if we were a little better to watch, the fans would still be unhappy, because we are never going to win anything.
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 09:37 am |
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Salford White wrote: ....and back on topic.......
Personally, I thought we didn't play that well yesterday, particularly after going one up in the first half when we looked for all the world like we were going to sit deep and hang on for grim death for 80 minutes. I still can't believe that playing against Boro, THE worst team in the division this year bar non, we had 11 players in the box to defend a corner. For God's sake, what do we do with the ball once we clear it if no one is there to run with it or hold it up???
Despite a poor performance, we ground out a good result and finally put the match to bed. At 2-1 I was still very nervous, particularly with Tuncay popping up unmarked at the edge of the box at every set piece. On another day he would have had a hat-trick.
Shittu was outstanding yesterday and should get a start every week with performances like his last 3. He reads the game very well and his commitment is 100% through 90 minutes. Looking at the team yesterday, I came up with the thought that we now have the worst midfield we have had for some seasons in attacking terms and that is where the problems are being caused. Elmander is looking poorer every match and poor Smolarek must wonder what the hell he has to do to get a start.
Great result, sees us safe (virtually) but call me picky, I still didn't enjoy myself like I have in past seasons and Im still not even remotely tempted to buy anoter ST.
Needed to post in response to Mark 08 saying we all stay away when we win but don't really have time - but as SW has said almost word for word what I think I'll just say 'ditto'. Especially the bit about Smolarek/Elmander.
And the same to what bdi/Tweek say later.
Billy makes a fair point about this is how top flight football is now - so I'll probably attend a few BWFC games next year, but the go to some lower league games as a neutral for my enterrtainment.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Salford White wrote: Granted Billy. Did anyone else notice that during the Newcastle match on MOTD on Saturday night, during the 8 minutes it was being shown, Nolan wasn't mentioned once?!
Good bit of business that.
I have to admit that regarding Nolan, i was firmly in the 'Ok, he hasn't played that well for ages, but we play better with him on the pitch' camp. But I hold my hands up and admit i was wrong. We are better without him and I don't see any signs that he's rejuvenating Newcastle. Now I can look at his game with some neutrality, I can see what a great bit of business he-who-shall-not-be-named did!!
I thought this was a good deal for all concerned - seems like it was just us after all.
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 10:04 am |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: bdi wrote: It is not about winning, but surviving. Not the right way to take the club forward.
Welcome to football in 2009.
The majority of PL clubs are now 'In the PL for the sake of being in the PL'. We get to see top teams play at the Reebok. We get money from Sky that keeps us from going under. But the chances of winning some silverware are reduced with every season that goes by.
There are now 5 clubs in the PL who consider themselves capable of winning the PL (I include City when they get a decent manager and spend some money). They can't all win the PL, so they have to target the FA and League Cups. They have to show something for all the money they have spent. We've discussed our disinterest in the UEFA Cup ad nauseum, so I won't do it again.
The pundits don't care about anyone outside the top 4 or 5. To them, it's all about the rest providing cannon fodder for the top teams on their way to glory.
At this point you have to decide whether you really want to watch football in the modern age. This is it. Even if we were a little better to watch, the fans would still be unhappy, because we are never going to win anything.
I wouldn,t be unhappy if we didn,t win anything, i dont really expect it,just relegation worry free season and a manager with a different outlook to GM
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Posted: Mon Apr 6th, 2009 10:36 am |
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I understand the frustration with GM, because I often feel that way myself.
But we wouldn't want a Keegan-type manager that will play fancy football, but get us relegated. We need to sort out the basics first.....being regarded as a permanent PL fixture to start with. I honestly don't know if GM is the one to rebuild the team, but being clear of the relegation spots is an improvement. Should he have done better......who knows? Can he take us further forward next season? i have no idea?
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