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le god
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 09:54 pm |
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If you saw how we were playing at 4-0 you'd have been saying the same things... as i said earlier its easy to call people out with hindsight isn't it...
We could get relegated this season then people could come on here and say all you people being positive about he-who-shall-not-be-named are nobs ner ner...
To be honest i'd rather talk about the football than all this told you so rubbish.
It was a great effort to get back to 4-3 today don't think anyone has said anything different.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 10:02 pm |
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Does Elmander look heavy and out of shape to those who can see him in person? I know television adds pounds, but he seemed to be chugging and the weight constantly seems to keep him off-balance... hence the awful attempts. I wish Cahill's shot had gone in at the death... inches from a draw two years in a row at Stamford Bridge. As much as I discredit he-who-shall-not-be-named's tactics, he was spot on with his substitutions today. Basham was really terrific. Matty Taylor is always dangerous on the pitch and he is fun to watch. If we had Mark Davies back from injury we might have shown more fight. For those who say KD had an off day, I thought he worked his backside off. He is a scrapper and an immovable force in the box. To me, Elmander is the odd man out. He really looks like he is laboring coming down the pitch. Let's not kid ourselves... Chelsea man for man is a lot better team than we are. So are Arsenal, Man U and Liverpool. Had he-who-shall-not-be-named not been so defensive against Arsenal and Man U we might have shown more spirit. Even then it took Rob Styles to knock us down at Man U... and an 80th plus goal to lose to Arsenal. The problem we have is consistency. The Fulham and Stoke matches were pathetic. We need more efforts like the last 20 minutes today. One more win and we secure a 9th EPL year. Good effort by the team for 40 minutes today... lots to cheer about... but we really could have a nicked a point at the death. Alas!
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truewhite15
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 10:11 pm |
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MotD - Chelsea #1 wasnt Shittu's fault, they conveniently miss out the first half pressure from us...
HORRIBLE PENALTY DECISION!!
should have been retaken, Chelsea players encroaching...
horrible defending for Drogba's 2 goals
AoB...yeah, just a little offside...
GREAT play from Davies for number 2, good finish from Basham as well, very awkward
and again for #3
Jussi nearly gets himself on the scoresheet, bloody hell lol
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le god
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 10:14 pm |
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"Credit to Blackburn, but chelsea took their foot of the gas"
Oh well at least he didn't mention us, can't stand hearing him talk about us.
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bdi
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 10:29 pm |
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For once in a long time, I have I seen a bit of backbone in a Bolton performance, and I am very proud, and praise them. The penalty decision, should not have been given and would not have been given if it was a Boltons appeal for a similar decision.
Also, IMO, and I do not know the new refereeing decisions, but others might be able to advise.
I always thought that the final whistle could not be blown, when a team is in an attacking position, especially after a corner.
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truewhite15
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 10:29 pm |
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consistency has been our problem all year round, Observer...you can tell that we have the makings of a fantastic side, really, you can, a side that can again achieve the heights of 6th, as we did just a few short seasons ago, maybe more
it's not every team that can score 3 at Stamford Bridge, can hold Arsenal until the 84th minute, hold United to the 90th+ minute etc etc
we've shown we have the ability - salvos vs Pompey, Wet Spam (X2), Shitty just to name a few, as well as thrashing (yes, thrashing) Boro twice, Sunderland once (so far), gutsy performances vs relegation scrappers Newcastle and West Brom including 1 win, going 2 up vs Blackburn on their patch, winning away at Hull when they were riding high and had previously beaten Arsenal and their ilk, scoring 2 on Villa's patch, trouncing Stoke when they were bouncing into the league, amazing confidence and courage to first go two up and then to beat Spuds at our place
the problem still remains that we cant seem to carry that ability (which is always there) throughout the games, and that is what needs to be corrected, and i would think that by the start of next season, it will be
we are ever so nearly the complete article - and you cannot say that all this is just in spite of the manager, or because the opposition were ever so consistently poor
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 10:37 pm |
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bdi wrote: For once in a long time, I have I seen a bit of backbone in a Bolton performance, and I am very proud, and praise them. The penalty decision, should not have been given and would not have been given if it was a Boltons appeal for a similar decision.
Also, IMO, and I do not know the new refereeing decisions, but others might be able to advise.
I always thought that the final whistle could not be blown, when a team is in an attacking position, especially after a corner.
As long as it's not a penalty the referee is alou to blow at any point, just most seemto only blow when the ball is in the middle of the pitch, possibly to avoid controvesy. However we did play over the injury time due to having conecutive corners so i don't think this is anything to complain about.
Overall, fantastic spirit and fight, what we were used to seeing from our team.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 10:48 pm |
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The stats for this season are bugging me.
Assuming we score another 6-7 goals before the end of the season (we look capable of doing this) we'll be on 45/46 goals for the season - not too far away from the seasons when we finished in a European spot. We've conceded 49 goals - assume we concede another 5/6 and we're not that far away from what we've done before when we've finished in the top 10. Our win percentage under he-who-shall-not-be-named is the same as under Allardyce (see previous threads). So it looks like it's the manner in whcih we're scoring that makes the difference. Those lack of draws are the only stat that's really making a difference.
Shows what a fine dividing line there is between success and failure in this league. It also suggests that a sudden tweaking of our team (by adding players in certain crucial positions) could mean that we could be back to top 10s every season.
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Posted: Sat Apr 11th, 2009 11:50 pm |
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Andy Walsh wrote: The stats for this season are bugging me.
Assuming we score another 6-7 goals before the end of the season (we look capable of doing this) we'll be on 45/46 goals for the season - not too far away from the seasons when we finished in a European spot. We've conceded 49 goals - assume we concede another 5/6 and we're not that far away from what we've done before when we've finished in the top 10. Our win percentage under he-who-shall-not-be-named is the same as under Allardyce (see previous threads). So it looks like it's the manner in whcih we're scoring that makes the difference. Those lack of draws are the only stat that's really making a difference.
Shows what a fine dividing line there is between success and failure in this league. It also suggests that a sudden tweaking of our team (by adding players in certain crucial positions) could mean that we could be back to top 10s every season.
So very true. I started a thread about this months ago. We now have 4 draws on the season... all winnable games... two vs Blackburn and two vs West Brom. All the games we used to draw have become losses. That's the difference between Europe and mid table. In the past we could achieve 9 or 10 draws. This year we have been a streaky club... winning 3 of 4 twice. We have also had some long streaks of losses including all games against the Big 4. In past years we might have salvaged 4 or 5 points from those clubs. Losing 1-0 twice in the 84th minute and at the death denied us two points. A few points here and there and we are fighting for Europe. The difference between the top 4 (and maybe 5 if you count the money Villa spent) and the rest of the league is enormous. But you are very accurate in describing the fine line between success and failure in the league.
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Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 08:49 am |
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le god wrote: "... chelsea took their foot of the gas"
It's this type of thing that misses the point. Of course we only scored 3 because Chelsea took their foot off the gas. They're one of the top teams in Europe. We ain't going to beat them if their playing at 100%.
The point is that for much of the season even when teams have taken their foot off the gas we still haven't come back. Yesterday we did. That's good enough.
My only critique is for much of the game we were playing the old 10-0-0 formation. Okay, it's understandable in this game, but when we were able to push out the results were clear. Yet another demonstration that Bolton's failures this season have come from the excessive negativity and hoofing - stop that and we're a pretty good team.
I really hope the managers and the players will wake up and banish 10-0-0 completely. It's all it would take for us to challenge in the league and maybe cups again.
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le god
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Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 08:53 am |
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| Your right there at 3-0 i looked at the shape of the team and the distance between elmander and the midfield was about 50 yards... terrifying.
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Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 10:58 am |
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Sprout wrote: le god wrote: "... chelsea took their foot of the gas"
I really hope the managers and the players will wake up and banish 10-0-0 completely. It's all it would take for us to challenge in the league and maybe cups again.
We have banished 10-0-0... we play 9-0-1! Have you not noticed Elmander up front on his own with his finger up his arse?
Thought the penalty decision was a bit harsh with Steinsson and the defending for Drogba's 2nd was just shameful. Can't believe Cahill's blocked on the line, imagine the odds on a 4-4 at 4-0?!
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Posted: Sun Apr 12th, 2009 08:44 pm |
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Despite the loss I really enjoyed the match yesterday. I thought we started well and Chelsea didnt look too threatening. They didnt really play with any confidence until they were 3-0 up and at that point I thought they would really hammer us. My first instinct was that it wasn't a penalty and after seeing it on MoTD it was harsh.
Our away fans were brilliant even at 4-0 and lots of banter with the Chelsea crowd who were p1ssing themselves at 4-0 when we were singing "5-4, we're going to win 5-4." Was funny to see them shrinking in their seats every time we scored.
Some chanted "Frankie, wheres your mum, frankie frankie wheres your mum" at one point but another Bolton fan rightly shouted back "have some standards".
Anelka got quite a reception when he came on and he nearly scored when we sent Cahill up top leaving AoB on his own at the back.
Thought McCann was poor, Basham has to start in future. AoB did some things well when he came on but still looked error prone.
Elmander didnt really offer much and we were much better with Davies (who again is cementing his legend status even further with every match) up front. Made John Terry look nervous.
Didnt feel like a loss yesterday, more like a win. The standing ovation for the players was deserved and it was nice to see a few come over and appreciate it. Would have been good to see them all come over but hey ho. Even some Chelsea fans clapped us at the end.
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Posted: Tue Apr 14th, 2009 11:50 pm |
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| That decision on that penalty was awful, what was he meant to do, rip his own arm off and throw it away, he could not have kept it any closer to his body than he did.
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Posted: Wed Apr 15th, 2009 01:37 pm |
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melbourne dave wrote: That decision on that penalty was awful, what was he meant to do, rip his own arm off and throw it away, he could not have kept it any closer to his body than he did.
Difficult to complain though, they did have a nailed on one in the first half. All we can do is curse our own bad luck that we didn't get the break. Is it more than that? I don't know, Ashley Cole probably spent five minutes himself telling the referee he deserved a pen (he did), was the referee swayed by that? Possibly.
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