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Posted: Sat Apr 18th, 2009 07:54 pm |
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Sat in a bar in Gran Canaria today and watched the match live. One shot on goal, no idea in midfield and few players who wanted to take any responsibility.
We went all out for a draw, went one down and despite the fact we were creating absolutely nothing, not even a single shot in the second half and 45 minutes of lumping the same floated ball towards Davies, he-who-shall-not-be-named hadnt the wit to change it and bring a sub on. I really feel for Smolarek, he must wonder why he ever came.
No link up play between a single front man and a 3 man defensive midfield. Shocking, awful, embarrassing.
Puygrenier is interviewed by Sky today and he alludes to the fact that he-who-shall-not-be-named wants the ball played to Davies in the air every time we have possession. How many times has that one doimensional approach worked this season? Er, none. When we get it to feet and play football, we score, but this seems to have passed us by.
Another nail in the ST coffin.
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Salford White wrote: Sat in a bar in Gran Canaria today and watched the match live. One shot on goal, no idea in midfield and few players who wanted to take any responsibility.
We went all out for a draw, went one down and despite the fact we were creating absolutely nothing, not even a single shot in the second half and 45 minutes of lumping the same floated ball towards Davies, he-who-shall-not-be-named hadnt the wit to change it and bring a sub on. I really feel for Smolarek, he must wonder why he ever came.
No link up play between a single front man and a 3 man defensive midfield. Shocking, awful, embarrassing.
Puygrenier is interviewed by Sky today and he alludes to the fact that he-who-shall-not-be-named wants the ball played to Davies in the air every time we have possession. How many times has that one doimensional approach worked this season? Er, none. When we get it to feet and play football, we score, but this seems to have passed us by.
Another nail in the ST coffin.
OK we get the point. Now can you talk about something different?
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To me, losing to Chealsea is same as losing to Portsmort (goal difference -1). I do not know what got you excited last week (Basham?) and also what get you morose today (again Basham?)
We will have to show our character next week against villa, that's all. Do not judge the team on one match, no matter we win or lose.Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 09:02 pm by weein
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well said that man
we're all disappointed - of course we are, our team lost
but we lost by a single goal to a team that needed it a helluva lot more than we did
all this bull from Cowdrill and the like - is it not blatantly obvious that this season is a step up from the last? we were dogshite last season, this season we're inconsistent - we're in transition, and i guarantee that next season we'll get even better
to say you've never been this bored in 20 years is, IMHO, a load of bull - you are prejudiced against he-who-shall-not-be-named, have been since day one, and so are quite a few others. what, did 4-1 wins vs Boro and Sunderland, 3-1 vs Spam, 3-2 vs Spurs not get you going? not quite good enough for you? if not, you're a blatant liar
its plain to everyone, surely, that consistency is the only thing lacking in our game - we have two teams, the ones which turn up against Boro, and the ones which turn up in games like today, but we're in the same bleeding situation as at least 10 others
yeah, relegation...thats what our financially challenged, small fanbase club needs 
and those that are saying that they wont renew simply cos of "that ginger cretin" - get a grip, look what happened to Soton when their fans left - leaving 10,000 empty seats every match aint gonna solve that, think it through...
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I wouldn't say it was just consistency, that a solid back 4, creativity, and the ability to pass the ball instilled in one or two of our players, also get Jussi to practice kicking, please also can we throw it out just once in a game... just once please!
AOB stop being brilliant for 10 minutes followed by utterly awful for the next 20...
Jussi today had a free kick which he punted into David James' hands, i mean come on...
urgh.. makes my eyes water watching us sometimes it really does. If our chief tactic is the lump and run, and he-who-shall-not-be-named is actually saying "kick first think later" then i would seriously worried about our future.
oh to be a fly on the wall in that dressing room.
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Oh dear.
Watched some of it online, updates on SSN and then MOTD.
shots on target 10-1; motm Jussi - a bit like Hull away only our shot didn't go in (in fact we'd be in real trouble now if they'd got what they deservd that day).
Pretty much as expected though (see prediction thread).
I'm so glad that try as I might I couldn't contrive relegation for us unless we lost every match when I completed the BBC predictor.
We are going nowhere fast.Last edited on Sat Apr 18th, 2009 10:37 pm by Ifs Buts and Maybes
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truewhite15 wrote: well said that man
we're all disappointed - of course we are, our team lost
but we lost by a single goal to a team that needed it a helluva lot more than we did
all this bull from Cowdrill and the like - is it not blatantly obvious that this season is a step up from the last? we were dogshite last season, this season we're inconsistent - we're in transition, and i guarantee that next season we'll get even better
to say you've never been this bored in 20 years is, IMHO, a load of bull - you are prejudiced against he-who-shall-not-be-named, have been since day one, and so are quite a few others. what, did 4-1 wins vs Boro and Sunderland, 3-1 vs Spam, 3-2 vs Spurs not get you going? not quite good enough for you? if not, you're a blatant liar
its plain to everyone, surely, that consistency is the only thing lacking in our game - we have two teams, the ones which turn up against Boro, and the ones which turn up in games like today, but we're in the same bleeding situation as at least 10 others
yeah, relegation...thats what our financially challenged, small fanbase club needs
and those that are saying that they wont renew simply cos of "that ginger cretin" - get a grip, look what happened to Soton when their fans left - leaving 10,000 empty seats every match aint gonna solve that, think it through...
Great post TW15. Couldn't have said it better myself. We have 5 games left, 3 at home and if we get behind the team there is no reason why we can't achieve a respectable finish.
It did sound like an awful game on our part however. Here's to SUPPORTING our team to 3 points against the Villa!!!
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but on the flip side, one or two of those narrow losses (im looking at Pompey, United, Arsenal here to name but a few) turn the other way and we're comfortably midtable if not comfortably top-half, and maybe pushing for Europe
but yes, you're right, inconsistency is our bane atm, but inconsistency and STILL finishing within touching distance of the top half is a fantastic achievement
inconsistency is something that has to be expected when we lose a manager of 10 seasons who led our most successful period in arguably half a century, and take on a manager instead (via an interim, unsuccessful manager) who has spent an inordinate amount of time due to our fickle, egoistical fans trying to convince people he has what it takes, instead of being able to concentrate purely on the job at hand. a manager who, in conjunction, is slowly trying to change the way we play, has brought in some exciting young English talent, and is looking to hopefully take us to a level said former manager never achieved.
next season WILL be better
and i will happily predict that next season we will finish 8th or higher, with a higher number of clean sheets, a higher number of draws, wins, and goals scored, a lower number of losses and goals conceded, with a cup semi (at least) and a win against a Big 5 member thrown in for good measure
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truewhite15 wrote: but on the flip side, one or two of those narrow losses (im looking at Pompey, United, Arsenal here to name but a few) turn the other way and we're comfortably midtable if not comfortably top-half, and maybe pushing for Europe
but yes, you're right, inconsistency is our bane atm, but inconsistency and STILL finishing within touching distance of the top half is a fantastic achievement
inconsistency is something that has to be expected when we lose a manager of 10 seasons who led our most successful period in arguably half a century, and take on a manager instead (via an interim, unsuccessful manager) who has spent an inordinate amount of time due to our fickle, egoistical fans trying to convince people he has what it takes, instead of being able to concentrate purely on the job at hand. a manager who, in conjunction, is slowly trying to change the way we play, has brought in some exciting young English talent, and is looking to hopefully take us to a level said former manager never achieved.
next season WILL be better
and i will happily predict that next season we will finish 8th or higher, with a higher number of clean sheets, a higher number of draws, wins, and goals scored, a lower number of losses and goals conceded, with a cup semi (at least) and a win against a Big 5 member thrown in for good measure
Andy O'Brien's mom wrote this. And Andy will be our best defensive player next year as well!  ))
We don't belong in Europe. We don't play well with any consistency. We have a manager whose tactics are questionable and who is afraid to adapt to the game at hand.
We do have a lot of good players who unfortunately don't play very well together. We have a porous defense and we should not have allowed today's soft goal in. The replay made it appear that Kanu pushed Jussi into the goal.
All in all we are much closer to the bottom 3 than we are to Europe... perhaps not in numbers but in quality of play. I hope we can get that last win to secure a 9th season... and I do assume we will get it and more.
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observer wrote: truewhite15 wrote: but on the flip side, one or two of those narrow losses (im looking at Pompey, United, Arsenal here to name but a few) turn the other way and we're comfortably midtable if not comfortably top-half, and maybe pushing for Europe
but yes, you're right, inconsistency is our bane atm, but inconsistency and STILL finishing within touching distance of the top half is a fantastic achievement
inconsistency is something that has to be expected when we lose a manager of 10 seasons who led our most successful period in arguably half a century, and take on a manager instead (via an interim, unsuccessful manager) who has spent an inordinate amount of time due to our fickle, egoistical fans trying to convince people he has what it takes, instead of being able to concentrate purely on the job at hand. a manager who, in conjunction, is slowly trying to change the way we play, has brought in some exciting young English talent, and is looking to hopefully take us to a level said former manager never achieved.
next season WILL be better
and i will happily predict that next season we will finish 8th or higher, with a higher number of clean sheets, a higher number of draws, wins, and goals scored, a lower number of losses and goals conceded, with a cup semi (at least) and a win against a Big 5 member thrown in for good measure
Andy O'Brien's mom wrote this. And Andy will be our best defensive player next year as well! ))
We don't belong in Europe. We don't play well with any consistency. We have a manager whose tactics are questionable and who is afraid to adapt to the game at hand.
We do have a lot of good players who unfortunately don't play very well together. We have a porous defense and we should not have allowed today's soft goal in. The replay made it appear that Kanu pushed Jussi into the goal.
All in all we are much closer to the bottom 3 than we are to Europe... perhaps not in numbers but in quality of play. I hope we can get that last win to secure a 9th season... and I do assume we will get it and more.
Inconsistent view, I'm afraid. Just the other day I think you were agreeing with me on the stats showing what a fine dividing line it is between getting into Europe and where we are at the moment. As I pointed out, the stats for this season are very similar to those when we qualified for Europe in the past, the main difference being the losses at the expense of draws (wins, goals scored and conceded being very similar to in the past).
As you said (chelsea thread):
'A few points here and there and we are fighting for Europe.' And now you say 'We don't belong in Europe.' That's not what you were saying midweek.
So does one result flip your opionion around by 180 degrees? If it does, it makes you extraordinarily fickle.
We belong in Europe if, and only if, we get the points needed. That's it. I'll agree that we need to be more consistent but I'm sure next season we will be. This season has been a huge improvement on last season. I anticipate next season to show the same sort of improvement again.
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I agree with Andy TBH. You get what you deserve in football. This season we will get out exactly what we put in, and barring any last minute collapses we might just finish between 12th and 15th which will be very good.
One area that does annoy me is the Uri Gellar crap, just saying "we WILL be better next season" kind of makes us sound like inmates. We MIGHT be better next season we MIGHT not... lets just wait and see shall we.
oh and also i would be SUPPORTING the team if we we currently had 3 points all season. Coming on here and moaning about one of the worst performances of the season doesn't mean you don't support the team... just thought i'd say that.
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I've not seen the goal from yesterday but from what I've read, it was bad defending.
The reason we've been so shite this season is because of bad defending. Seriously, our goals against Chelsea were awful, when we lost to Villa at their place they were all poorly defended, same against Everton.
I don't mind conceding goals like we did against Boro at our place, that was a very well worked goal. However, the vast majority of our goals conceded are soft, come from set pieces and lazy, sunday league defending.
Don't give me all this 'we are in transition' bollocks, there is no excuse for lazy defending and conceding soft goals. These are Premier League footballers for heaven's sake, paid thousands a week to do their MAIN job, stop the ball from going in the net. The defenders aren't doing that at this club. It's like a chef not knowing how to cook, or a builder not knowing how to lay a brick, madness!
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Cowdrill wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: Cowdrill wrote: another w*nk performance
i wouldnt actually mind us going down if it meant finally ridding the club of this ginger cretin
Don't know what's happened to you!
TBH that's a load of tosh. he-who-shall-not-be-named will be here for a decent length of time. Have you seen what happened to Charlton today? That would be our reality. And if you want that, you need to see a shrink.
i havent been this bored watching Bolton in over 20 years
every game is dull, dull, dull, dull CRAP
You should have gone to more games over the last 4-5 years then. They have all been this dull. Boring football didn't just come along with the appointment of he-who-shall-not-be-named. he may have continued it, but it was entrenched long before he arrived.
As for wishing relegation on us just to get rid of a manager.....unbeliveable. You're prepared for us to play Championship football (or worse) because you don't like the manager. So we get relegated, he gets sacked and meanwhile, we have to lose our best players (such as they are) because they are all on PL wages. We spend the next few years playing in a lower division, perhaps never returning. But that's all right, because we'll be rid of the 'ginger cretin'.
Bolton are so lucky to have such devoted fans.
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Wasnt going to watch the highlights on MOTD, but did and to be honest I think we only managed to get into their half once!!!
Why do we go to these matches and never turn up. It was the type of game where he-who-shall-not-be-named could have played 442 and gone at Pompey we would have given them a scare. But no, we play 451 and aim for a 0-0!!!
Whats the point having a go at Chelsea and not at Pompey??????
The story of our season has been if we dont score in the first 20mins we dont win!!!
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le god wrote: I agree with Andy TBH. You get what you deserve in football. This season we will get out exactly what we put in, and barring any last minute collapses we might just finish between 12th and 15th which will be very good.
One area that does annoy me is the Uri Gellar crap, just saying "we WILL be better next season" kind of makes us sound like inmates. We MIGHT be better next season we MIGHT not... lets just wait and see shall we.
oh and also i would be SUPPORTING the team if we we currently had 3 points all season. Coming on here and moaning about one of the worst performances of the season doesn't mean you don't support the team... just thought i'd say that.
I think the optimism comes, le God, from having the youngest team we've had for donkey's years. We seriously have a bunch of young lads who can only improve with the more games we play. Thinking Cahill, Davies (Mark, not Kev!), Muamba, Basham, Obadeyi etc. Add to that the hope that Elmander comes good and the form of Davies, Taylor and Jussi and I think there is cause to be optimistic.
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Andy Walsh wrote:
le god wrote: I agree with Andy TBH. You get what you deserve in football. This season we will get out exactly what we put in, and barring any last minute collapses we might just finish between 12th and 15th which will be very good.
One area that does annoy me is the Uri Gellar crap, just saying "we WILL be better next season" kind of makes us sound like inmates. We MIGHT be better next season we MIGHT not... lets just wait and see shall we.
oh and also i would be SUPPORTING the team if we we currently had 3 points all season. Coming on here and moaning about one of the worst performances of the season doesn't mean you don't support the team... just thought i'd say that.
I think the optimism comes, le God, from having the youngest team we've had for donkey's years. We seriously have a bunch of young lads who can only improve with the more games we play. Thinking Cahill, Davies (Mark, not Kev!), Muamba, Basham, Obadeyi etc. Add to that the hope that Elmander comes good and the form of Davies, Taylor and Jussi and I think there is cause to be optimistic.
Ok if you want to use the word optimism, I've seen plenty that i've liked this season, Basham, K.Davies' goal tally, Matty Taylor, M.Davies, Gaz Cahill improving again.
But i've seen a lot of things that worry me, the inability of the majority of our players to pass a ball, control a ball. The complete lack of creativity through the midfield without M.Davies or Rikky G. The waste of bringing in loan players to rot, even when we have nothing to lose in throwing them on.
Some things have made me think "were onto something here." But not enough for me to proclaim we WILL be better next season we WILL do this and that. I usually like to see what happens before making such bold and unfounded claims.
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le god wrote:
But i've seen a lot of things that worry me, the inability of the majority of our players to pass a ball, control a ball. The complete lack of creativity through the midfield without M.Davies or Rikky G.
This is spot on, our whole team is guilty of poor passing, but it's very noticeable in the middle of the park and McCann and Muamba are very guilty of poor passing.
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Cowdrill wrote: another w*nk performance
i wouldnt actually mind us going down if it meant finally ridding the club of this ginger cretin
Thing that worries me is that when he-who-shall-not-be-named does take us down, not if but when as he surely will,the club wont sack him. what is it the pro he-who-shall-not-be-named fans see in him? I see a lot more in roy hodgson and a brighter future for fulham than us. he-who-shall-not-be-nameds had long enough for me to want him long gone by the start of next season. Yes i know whats comming back at me in the form of replies but i dont give a sh#t.There are managers out there that would come and do a better job than he-who-shall-not-be-named who,s not a premiership manager. There are managers in the championship who would do a better job than him. I can see us losing the next two games and we could be in trouble again, its not that much of an improvment on last season in my view.Certainly nothing to warrant giving him another season .I dont want to go down to get rid of him NO WAY, but i dread another season with this man in charge.I go to the southern matches when i can but its a lot of money to take a family to watch crap like yesterday and not much fun for the kids.
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Inconsistency and complacency are the issues.
Since Christmas every time we've had a "must win", we've won it, cleared a bit of space and then rather than consolidating have lost ground and got back into the "must win" situation, and...
The Boro' game was a "must win". Because of the gap we got, yesterday's wasn't. Neither is the Villa game. But if we haven't won by then, we'll be at a "must win" by either the Wigan or Sunderland game. And guess what. I bet we'll win that.
he-who-shall-not-be-named will never see us relegated. But nor will he see us doing anything other than playing relatively boring football to keep us just surviving. And slowly fans' interest in Bolton will peter out. That's a far more honest reality.
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Tweek wrote: Cowdrill wrote: another w*nk performance
i wouldnt actually mind us going down if it meant finally ridding the club of this ginger cretin
Thing that worries me is that when he-who-shall-not-be-named does take us down, not if but when as he surely will,the club wont sack him. what is it the pro he-who-shall-not-be-named fans see in him? I see a lot more in roy hodgson and a brighter future for fulham than us. he-who-shall-not-be-nameds had long enough for me to want him long gone by the start of next season. Yes i know whats comming back at me in the form of replies but i dont give a sh#t.There are managers out there that would come and do a better job than he-who-shall-not-be-named who,s not a premiership manager. There are managers in the championship who would do a better job than him. I can see us losing the next two games and we could be in trouble again, its not that much of an improvment on last season in my view.Certainly nothing to warrant giving him another season .I dont want to go down to get rid of him NO WAY, but i dread another season with this man in charge.I go to the southern matches when i can but its a lot of money to take a family to watch crap like yesterday and not much fun for the kids.
Sorry, Tweek, but you're spouting crap again.
When he take us down!!!!!!!!
Come back when you've engaged your brain
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Andy Walsh wrote:
Tweek wrote: Cowdrill wrote: another w*nk performance
i wouldnt actually mind us going down if it meant finally ridding the club of this ginger cretin
Thing that worries me is that when he-who-shall-not-be-named does take us down, not if but when as he surely will,the club wont sack him. what is it the pro he-who-shall-not-be-named fans see in him? I see a lot more in roy hodgson and a brighter future for fulham than us. he-who-shall-not-be-nameds had long enough for me to want him long gone by the start of next season. Yes i know whats comming back at me in the form of replies but i dont give a sh#t.There are managers out there that would come and do a better job than he-who-shall-not-be-named who,s not a premiership manager. There are managers in the championship who would do a better job than him. I can see us losing the next two games and we could be in trouble again, its not that much of an improvment on last season in my view.Certainly nothing to warrant giving him another season .I dont want to go down to get rid of him NO WAY, but i dread another season with this man in charge.I go to the southern matches when i can but its a lot of money to take a family to watch crap like yesterday and not much fun for the kids.
Sorry, Tweek, but you're spouting crap again.
When he take us down!!!!!!!!
Come back when you've engaged your brain
It's ridiculous to say WHEN he takes us down, just as its ridiculous to say we WILL improve next season.
Lets wait and see shall we.
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 09:56 pm |
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Andy Walsh wrote: Tweek wrote: Cowdrill wrote: another w*nk performance
i wouldnt actually mind us going down if it meant finally ridding the club of this ginger cretin
Thing that worries me is that when he-who-shall-not-be-named does take us down, not if but when as he surely will,the club wont sack him. what is it the pro he-who-shall-not-be-named fans see in him? I see a lot more in roy hodgson and a brighter future for fulham than us. he-who-shall-not-be-nameds had long enough for me to want him long gone by the start of next season. Yes i know whats comming back at me in the form of replies but i dont give a sh#t.There are managers out there that would come and do a better job than he-who-shall-not-be-named who,s not a premiership manager. There are managers in the championship who would do a better job than him. I can see us losing the next two games and we could be in trouble again, its not that much of an improvment on last season in my view.Certainly nothing to warrant giving him another season .I dont want to go down to get rid of him NO WAY, but i dread another season with this man in charge.I go to the southern matches when i can but its a lot of money to take a family to watch crap like yesterday and not much fun for the kids.
Sorry, Tweek, but you're spouting crap again.
When he take us down!!!!!!!!
Come back when you've engaged your brain. They wont sack him, he,s not up to the job, hasn,t got a clue,only one outcome for me and thats relegation at some point under he-who-shall-not-be-named its not rocket science. Did west brom stay up with him in charge ? has he done anything decent in the prem? no.
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truewhite15
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 10:08 pm |
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had Big Sam done feck all before he came to us? yes
Sam had done NOTHING in management before he came to us
experience is no guarantee of success, Tweek, you're just being ridiculously childish and fickle
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Posted: Sun Apr 19th, 2009 10:16 pm |
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Frome "Offish Text Message" "Word by word"
he-who-shall-not-be-named "I don't think that we played particlular well. At this stage of the season you are looking for a result an we should have got a nil-nil draw from this".
IMO. that shows his mentality in how we should approach games..
IN those few words, GM's mentality comes across. "Don't Lose". Forget about football, don't concede, and then we might come out of the game with something.
How many times, unfortunately through this attitude, do things backfire.
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Howfen White
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 12:03 am |
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bdi wrote: Frome "Offish Text Message" "Word by word"
he-who-shall-not-be-named "I don't think that we played particlular well. At this stage of the season you are looking for a result an we should have got a nil-nil draw from this".
IMO. that shows his mentality in how we should approach games..
IN those few words, GM's mentality comes across. "Don't Lose". Forget about football, don't concede, and then we might come out of the game with something.
How many times, unfortunately through this attitude, do things backfire.
Totally agree, I can't stand the negative shit he brings to games. It's no coincidence he puts out 4-5-1 away and 4-4-2 at home, he's shit scared of attacking and trying for all three points.
he-who-shall-not-be-named has made some very good signings for this club, but the organisation of the defence on set pieces is really poor and his overall tactics are just plain awful.
I really hope we see a change in football next season with the emergence of Mark Davies and Basham, and potential new signings. If not, we need to get rid.
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Billy Bradshaw
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 07:07 am |
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Howfen White wrote: bdi wrote: Frome "Offish Text Message" "Word by word"
he-who-shall-not-be-named "I don't think that we played particlular well. At this stage of the season you are looking for a result an we should have got a nil-nil draw from this".
IMO. that shows his mentality in how we should approach games..
IN those few words, GM's mentality comes across. "Don't Lose". Forget about football, don't concede, and then we might come out of the game with something.
How many times, unfortunately through this attitude, do things backfire.
Totally agree, I can't stand the negative shit he brings to games. It's no coincidence he puts out 4-5-1 away and 4-4-2 at home, he's shit scared of attacking and trying for all three points.
That's been the Bolton ethos for the last ten years. what i don't understand is why its only an issue now?
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d-f-b
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 08:33 am |
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truewhite15 wrote: had Big Sam done feck all before he came to us? yes
Sam had done NOTHING in management before he came to us
experience is no guarantee of success, Tweek, you're just being ridiculously childish and fickle
err , sam had done quite well before us,, he got sacked from blackpool after 'only' getting 3rd .. notts county must have got a big payoff , coz they were furious..
anyways,, seems gardner has a hamstring injury, so seemingly not his knee!
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le god
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 09:57 am |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Howfen White wrote: bdi wrote: Frome "Offish Text Message" "Word by word"
he-who-shall-not-be-named "I don't think that we played particlular well. At this stage of the season you are looking for a result an we should have got a nil-nil draw from this".
IMO. that shows his mentality in how we should approach games..
IN those few words, GM's mentality comes across. "Don't Lose". Forget about football, don't concede, and then we might come out of the game with something.
How many times, unfortunately through this attitude, do things backfire.
Totally agree, I can't stand the negative shit he brings to games. It's no coincidence he puts out 4-5-1 away and 4-4-2 at home, he's shit scared of attacking and trying for all three points.
That's been the Bolton ethos for the last ten years. what i don't understand is why its only an issue now?
Probably because now we lose more than we win.
I agree the football has been "negative" for a long time now. But with sam at least the mindset was "positive." (sure you'll be able to point to plenty of things to say it wasn't though!  )
I should know not to start a sam Debate with BB! 
The pompey game was one of the worst performances i've seen in ages.
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Sprout
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Posted: Mon Apr 20th, 2009 10:23 am |
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One of the worst performances in years? Like half this season then.
Okay - yes we had a defensive style under Sam. But behind that was a confident, fortress mentality. The feeling was we were good at defense, and would keep a clean sheet and then use a talented midfield (Jay Jay, Youri, Nolan etc.) to get something going forward. he-who-shall-not-be-named's defensive style is far too much "rabbit in the headlights". There's a feeling that we have to defend because the alternative is worth regardless of what's working. It's only under the pressure of a "must win" that the stakes become high enough to take a risk on a more expansive style.
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