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Liam wrote: Possession was 37.1 to 62.9 in Sunderlands favour.
This is what really winds me up about us... WE WAS AT HOME! 4-5-1 vs 4-5-1 0-0 was about right. Sunderland were poor, we were pathetic.
Sunderland were a lot better than they were against West Brom and Everton. The only thing they lacked in my opinion was the cutting edge, hitting the target. They had numerous opportunities and it could have easily been 3-0 or so to them, totally agree we were awful though.
Also we didn't play 4-5-1, we played the usual 9-0-1!
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Red White and Blue wrote: Surely this obsession with blaming the manager is quite tired. What else could he-who-shall-not-be-named do yesterday? who would you honestly replace Obrien or Mccann with? If the answer is no one because we don't have anyone else then you'd probably agree we need to get some more players and more quality in. Well you can't do that right now so how about we wait a few weeks and let he-who-shall-not-be-named get some players in. Your paying him out when it doesnt matter who was manager yesterday they would have done theexact same thing. Its becoming boring.
I would replace O'Brien with Shittu when fit, if not then Puygrenier. I rate O'Brien as 4th choice at the moment.
As for McCann, I've been one of his biggest critics but he played well yesterday. Still would rather have Basham ahead of him though.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 04:23 pm |
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Howfen White wrote:
Liam wrote: Possession was 37.1 to 62.9 in Sunderlands favour.
This is what really winds me up about us... WE WAS AT HOME! 4-5-1 vs 4-5-1 0-0 was about right. Sunderland were poor, we were pathetic.
Sunderland were a lot better than they were against West Brom and Everton. The only thing they lacked in my opinion was the cutting edge, hitting the target. They had numerous opportunities and it could have easily been 3-0 or so to them, totally agree we were awful though.
Also we didn't play 4-5-1, we played the usual 9-0-1!
Yes and when we do play that formation the person who gets blamed is...
Elmander
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Howfen White
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 04:30 pm |
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le god wrote: Howfen White wrote:
Liam wrote: Possession was 37.1 to 62.9 in Sunderlands favour.
This is what really winds me up about us... WE WAS AT HOME! 4-5-1 vs 4-5-1 0-0 was about right. Sunderland were poor, we were pathetic.
Sunderland were a lot better than they were against West Brom and Everton. The only thing they lacked in my opinion was the cutting edge, hitting the target. They had numerous opportunities and it could have easily been 3-0 or so to them, totally agree we were awful though.
Also we didn't play 4-5-1, we played the usual 9-0-1!
Yes and when we do play that formation the person who gets blamed is...
Elmander
ridiculous.
The one thing you expect Elmander to do when he's up there on his own is hold the ball up, but he's incapable of doing that. That's why I criticise him, not because he's up there on his own, that's obviously he-who-shall-not-be-named's fault. You would expect an international striker to be able to hold a ball up, especially for someone of Elmander's size, but he can't even do that.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 04:31 pm |
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Andy Walsh wrote: Salford White wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: No way on this planet did he-who-shall-not-be-named send out a team to go for the draw. I just think that he thinks his options are a bit limited with Gardner not fully fit. I expect him to have a few more options come September.
So how do you explain 4-5-1 at home with no attacking midfield player on the pitch? How do you explain 11 white shirts in our box for every Sunderland corner, thereby leaving us with no outlet when the ball is cleared and inviting the away team back onto us? 3 defensive midfielders on with Basham and Davies on the bench isn't playing for a draw?
How do you explain replacing a striker with a midfield player who didnt touch the ball once for the first 10 minutes he was on the pitch? How do you explain the absence of Smolarek, the only player in the squad aside from SKD with any goal scoring record this season? Explain if you can Puygrenier's remarks on Sky last week that he-who-shall-not-be-named's only tactic is to play the ball long to SKD.
He wanted a point, Gartside wanted a point and financial security for another year. No ambition outside of the business case, end of.
Well looked like 4-3-3 to me! The problem was that we didn't get started in the first half - that's why it fell back into 4-5-1.
Southampton - smallish club that had success for a number of years under one manager. He left, they were relegated, financial ruin.
Charlton - smallish club that had success for a number of years under one manager. He left, they were relegated, financial ruin.
Bolton - smallish club that had success for a number of years under one manager. He left, not relegated and building for the future.
Sorry you can't see that.
Well said, unfortunately most of the people are myopia.
Bolton - smallish club that had success for a number of years under one manager. He left, not relegated and building for the future.
Gary he-who-shall-not-be-named might not be a log term replacement, he could be just a transitional stabilizer. We are struggling now, but we will shine one day. As long as we keep the seed, the flower will blossom when spring comes. The winter may not end so soon, but if we lose the seed like those two, we are doomed. We have to do whatever we could to save the seed, even we need to embedded it deep into the soil.
P/S Blackburn also faces the same problem, see who they get? The lost of stupid newscastle is what Blackburn gains.
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Gary he-who-shall-not-be-named might not be a log term replacement, he could be just a transitional stabilizer. We are struggling now, but we will shine one day. As long as we keep the seed, the flower will blossom when spring comes. The winter may not end so soon, but if we lose the seed like those two, we are doomed. We have to do whatever we could to save the seed, even we need to embedded it deep into the soil.
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I am not anti he-who-shall-not-be-named because at times I have seen him send us out to play decent football - in other words, I know there is a "plan b". What I would like is for in games like this, against TEAMS like Sunderland at home, we actually play for a flicking win.
There are two players who can actually start an attack in our team. They are called Mark Davies and Ricardo Gardner, without them we're pretty clueless going forward at all times, free-kicks are the best we can hope for.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 06:45 pm |
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It comes down to one thing now IMO. ST holders contribute approximately £5 million in revenue, Sky put in around £54 million. Gartside couldn't care less if we have crowds of 4,000 watching every week as long as we stay in the Prem and generate enough money as a business.
he-who-shall-not-be-named's coments last night that we are the only club to have made a profit this year were somewhat embarrassing, but also indicative of the attitude of the board and the management team. This is all about a business case now, its not about sport or entertainment. Survival at all costs is what we can look forward to and to be fair, he-who-shall-not-be-named may be the man to ensure we do, but with what consequences?
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Well I am with Cowdrill... its fckin boring football.
I watched it in my local on Sultana and had my mate not called me after 30 mins I would have been asleep.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 07:39 pm |
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Salford White wrote: Gartside couldn't care less if we have crowds of 4,000 watching every week as long as we stay in the Prem and generate enough money as a business.
Didn't Gartside drop the price of season tickets, especially for kids?
Didn't he drop the price of the UEFA Cup tickets (and some league games) in order to try and fill the place?
Didn't he try and get some atmosphere generated by giving out the flags?
Didn't he try and set up a singing area within the ground?
Didn't he set up the fanzone in an attempt to have somewhere for fans to go before the game?
Don't the club have very cheap buses to and from the home games?
Don't the club sometimes lay free travel on to away games in order to beef up the crowd?
The product on the pitch may not be that exciting, but it seems to me that Gartside cares very much about filling the Reebok!!
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 07:45 pm |
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Salford White wrote: It comes down to one thing now IMO. ST holders contribute approximately £5 million in revenue, Sky put in around £54 million. Gartside couldn't care less if we have crowds of 4,000 watching every week as long as we stay in the Prem and generate enough money as a business.
he-who-shall-not-be-named's coments last night that we are the only club to have made a profit this year were somewhat embarrassing, but also indicative of the attitude of the board and the management team. This is all about a business case now, its not about sport or entertainment. Survival at all costs is what we can look forward to and to be fair, he-who-shall-not-be-named may be the man to ensure we do, but with what consequences?
The alternative for a club of our size is financial meltdown. Southampton don't have any big clubs around them. Leeds have a huge support. Charlton are in London and have a competetive advantage when it comes to investment. If we were in their situation, we would go under, I have no doubt about that.
But if you look long term at what he-who-shall-not-be-named is doing, he is building a young side. We're no longer investing in older stars. He's expressd in the press his desire to sign some flair and I'm sure he will. But he has also said that the way we currently play has bene ingrained in the club for some time. I'd rather he developed things slowly rather thna take the LSL way of thinking.
I honestly think that we are going in the right direction but i think it will take time. We don't have the resources or the infrastructure to change things quickly. Even Blackburn have a better infrastructure than we do because of the investment that they had in the past.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 10:07 pm |
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I don't disagree about the financial meltdown, but this has all got me thinking about what excatly is the point of the Premiership these days. Shock results you can count on one hand, a top four so dominant the Prem is now no better than the SPL and 2 teams with over a hundred million pounds worth of players.........on the bench!
The battle at the top has been worthy of nothing more than a yawn for several years, the only interest is in who gets relegated these days. Its not just our standard of football, I just don't see the point of any of it anymore, not helped by us capitulating against all the top 4 this year before we even kicked off.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 10:12 pm |
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Salford White wrote: he-who-shall-not-be-named's coments last night that we are the only club to have made a profit this year were somewhat embarrassing, but also indicative of the attitude of the board and the management team. This is all about a business case now, its not about sport or entertainment. Survival at all costs is what we can look forward to and to be fair, he-who-shall-not-be-named may be the man to ensure we do, but with what consequences?
Yeah, he seemed really proud of himself when he said them too. Ok we want to see our club in a good financial position, but the way he said it was like that was the most important thing. 'Who cares about the style of football we play and the fact that it is driving fans away from this club, we are making a nice profit'. Goes to show it's down to survival at all costs at the expense of entertainment value.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 10:30 pm |
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| I thought he looked a bit irritated at being asked about the game and replied with a financial answer.Just shows he has no clue.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 11:03 pm |
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| If it was your money you'd want prudent management. Now the bloke is getting attacked for managing the clubs funds well. You just can't win. What do you want him to send the club broke? And he has a right to be proud that he has made us survive and spent very little. Thats a good thing.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 11:27 pm |
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| actually no... when asked about football, i expect him to talk about football..i wanted his comments on that performance, not excuses unrelated to some degree. I am sure that the fact our players cant pass to each other hasnt helped the coffers.
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Posted: Sun May 10th, 2009 11:28 pm |
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Red White and Blue wrote: If it was your money you'd want prudent management. Now the bloke is getting attacked for managing the clubs funds well. You just can't win. What do you want him to send the club broke? And he has a right to be proud that he has made us survive and spent very little. Thats a good thing.
another excellent post, wanted to write something of this ilk myself, but couldnt think of the right words - o'course, you're the right side of waking up lol
on behalf of all things happy, i'd like to officially welcome you to the BWFC Optimism Brigade, short-handed as "rose-tinters" or "he-who-shall-not-be-named-shafters"
as part of your duties in our organisation, you must support myself and Andy Walsh in our unrelenting efforts to advise our rival group, the "Bullet for King" squadron, of the error of their ways, and impress upon them that we are indeed a Team in Transition, transition, of course, taking at least 2 full seasons to accomplish
you are also required to publicly support anybody who shows common sense and optimism in any discussion, most regularly Billy Bradshaw, Mark08, and with increasing regularity, Le God
that is all - now go and spread the good word!
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I don't disagree about the financial meltdown, but this has all got me thinking about what excatly is the point of the Premiership these days. Shock results you can count on one hand, a top four so dominant the Prem is now no better than the SPL and 2 teams with over a hundred million pounds worth of players.........on the bench!
The battle at the top has been worthy of nothing more than a yawn for several years, the only interest is in who gets relegated these days. Its not just our standard of football, I just don't see the point of any of it anymore, not helped by us capitulating against all the top 4 this year before we even kicked off.
Exactly where I've been for a while. It's hard to put into words how I feel about football at the moment, I suppose the only word I could use is distant. I struggle to see the point of turning up, it's funny - because I find myself arguing with myself as I type this, what I'm saying I feel like I shouldn't be saying. Watching Bolton has been every single Saturday of my life since I was about nine and it's a sad day when I'm sat here thinking there are so many better things I could be doing.
It's not just us, supporters up and down the country are fed up with it. United season ticket sales hit open sale this season and were on sale well into the season, so much for that multiple year long waiting list. At the big clubs, the working man is being replaced by happy clappy day trippers, at the small clubs, supporters are being replaced by empty seats.
People may respond in a sarcastic manner to Cowdrill suggesting he's no longer going to watch Bolton, but surely that's a sad thing? A guy who has been a supporter for years - for whatever reason - giving up watching his team.
Let's take Fulham and Aston Villa as examples:
Villa: Throw away a chance to win a European trophy to try and fail dramatically to finish fourth.
Fulham: Manager openly admits he wouldn't want to qualify for Europe this season.
It's hard to get your head around those things as a supporter. What do the Aston Villa fans want? Trophies. What do Villa board want? Money. Money wins. What do the Fulham fans want? A crack at Europe. What do the Fulham board want? Unless you're going to finish fourth next season, Roy, just stick to ninth.
Yawn, yawn, yawn.
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Disappointing show against a team hungrier and better than us .
Sunderland let down by poor finishing;
SKD eventually gets to play up front on his own.
Whatever anyone says Elmander is a spanner in the works;no-one can say he has improved since he joined and justify it.McCann and Muamba can't hack it in midfield although Mccann had a better game.
we only looked like scoring from long throws and corners.
strictly on the QT;2nd hand from A SENIOR PLAYER ;who is great monday to friday but clueless when saturday comes?;hint he has ginger hair and recently turned 50 and has been responsible for us performing at a "profit"
maybe he is the transition we've all been lulled into and next season we'll get a quality manager...I'll not hold my breath.
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truewhite15 wrote: Red White and Blue wrote: If it was your money you'd want prudent management. Now the bloke is getting attacked for managing the clubs funds well. You just can't win. What do you want him to send the club broke? And he has a right to be proud that he has made us survive and spent very little. Thats a good thing.
that we are indeed a Team in Transition
Take the capital letters from that and name your team that instead!
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Cit4whatitis wrote: strictly on the QT;2nd hand from A SENIOR PLAYER ;who is great monday to friday but clueless when saturday comes?;hint he has ginger hair and recently turned 50 and has been responsible for us performing at a "profit"
That doesn't suprise me.
I honestly think with the way things are at the club at the moment we would suit having he-who-shall-not-be-named as a Director of Football and a young eager new person as manager to run tactics.
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| Gary he-who-shall-not-be-named could have made even more profit by just buying a tin of paint and painting the goalposts with it. Watching that dry would have been much more entertaining.
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Cit4whatitis wrote: Disappointing show against a team hungrier and better than us .
Sunderland let down by poor finishing;
SKD eventually gets to play up front on his own.
Whatever anyone says Elmander is a spanner in the works;no-one can say he has improved since he joined and justify it.McCann and Muamba can't hack it in midfield although Mccann had a better game.
we only looked like scoring from long throws and corners.
strictly on the QT;2nd hand from A SENIOR PLAYER ;who is great monday to friday but clueless when saturday comes?;hint he has ginger hair and recently turned 50 and has been responsible for us performing at a "profit"
maybe he is the transition we've all been lulled into and next season we'll get a quality manager...I'll not hold my breath.
Total b*ll*cks - you hear this from every club about someone in the know and it always turns out to be rubbish.
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Andy Walsh wrote: Cit4whatitis wrote: Disappointing show against a team hungrier and better than us .
Sunderland let down by poor finishing;
SKD eventually gets to play up front on his own.
Whatever anyone says Elmander is a spanner in the works;no-one can say he has improved since he joined and justify it.McCann and Muamba can't hack it in midfield although Mccann had a better game.
we only looked like scoring from long throws and corners.
strictly on the QT;2nd hand from A SENIOR PLAYER ;who is great monday to friday but clueless when saturday comes?;hint he has ginger hair and recently turned 50 and has been responsible for us performing at a "profit"
maybe he is the transition we've all been lulled into and next season we'll get a quality manager...I'll not hold my breath.
Total b*ll*cks - you hear this from every club about someone in the know and it always turns out to be rubbish.
I wonder who is taking the pish here 
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Posted: Mon May 11th, 2009 07:59 pm |
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Cit4whatitis wrote: Disappointing show against a team hungrier and better than us .
Sunderland let down by poor finishing;
SKD eventually gets to play up front on his own.
Whatever anyone says Elmander is a spanner in the works;no-one can say he has improved since he joined and justify it.McCann and Muamba can't hack it in midfield although Mccann had a better game.
we only looked like scoring from long throws and corners.
strictly on the QT;2nd hand from A SENIOR PLAYER ;who is great monday to friday but clueless when saturday comes?;hint he has ginger hair and recently turned 50 and has been responsible for us performing at a "profit"
maybe he is the transition we've all been lulled into and next season we'll get a quality manager...I'll not hold my breath.
Perhaps you'd rather us have spent as much as sunderland have....since you think they are so much better and hungrier than us?
£70m and they are 4 points worse off then we are.
You envy that do you?
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Frankie wrote: Andy Walsh wrote: Cit4whatitis wrote: Disappointing show against a team hungrier and better than us .
Sunderland let down by poor finishing;
SKD eventually gets to play up front on his own.
Whatever anyone says Elmander is a spanner in the works;no-one can say he has improved since he joined and justify it.McCann and Muamba can't hack it in midfield although Mccann had a better game.
we only looked like scoring from long throws and corners.
strictly on the QT;2nd hand from A SENIOR PLAYER ;who is great monday to friday but clueless when saturday comes?;hint he has ginger hair and recently turned 50 and has been responsible for us performing at a "profit"
maybe he is the transition we've all been lulled into and next season we'll get a quality manager...I'll not hold my breath.
Total b*ll*cks - you hear this from every club about someone in the know and it always turns out to be rubbish.
I wonder who is taking the pish here
I don't come on the forum and report rubbish;I thought that you'd be interested to know or maybe it's a case of only wanting to hear what fits in.
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Cit4whatitis wrote: Disappointing show against a team hungrier and better than us .
Sunderland let down by poor finishing;
SKD eventually gets to play up front on his own.
Whatever anyone says Elmander is a spanner in the works;no-one can say he has improved since he joined and justify it.McCann and Muamba can't hack it in midfield although Mccann had a better game.
we only looked like scoring from long throws and corners.
strictly on the QT;2nd hand from A SENIOR PLAYER ;who is great monday to friday but clueless when saturday comes?;hint he has ginger hair and recently turned 50 and has been responsible for us performing at a "profit"
maybe he is the transition we've all been lulled into and next season we'll get a quality manager...I'll not hold my breath.
Perhaps you'd rather us have spent as much as sunderland have....since you think they are so much better and hungrier than us?
£70m and they are 4 points worse off then we are.
You envy that do you?
I was offering a view on the match ie 90 mins.
did you go to the match?
Am I wrong?
If so how why?
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