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Posted: Thu Aug 5th, 2010 03:10 pm |
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white4ever wrote: pompey survive
I wonder if HMRC can or will appeal ??
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They survive? Your joking, i was sure they'd have the balls to shut them down.
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Posted: Thu Aug 5th, 2010 03:38 pm |
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Frankie wrote: white4ever wrote: pompey survive
I wonder if HMRC can or will appeal ??
hmrc have appealed that might be tomorrow according to 5 live news,
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I just find it disgusting that one of the people who voted ' oh 20% for the plebs' is the guy who will now buy them back.
but he is a secured creditor, so will get all HIS 14million ( or whatever)..
Also, by claiming the debt was higher and higher, it diluted the smaller creditors and the hmrc voting share.
Its a total con....
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Posted: Fri Sep 3rd, 2010 09:09 am |
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/sep/03/portsmouth-ownership-proof-short-supply
pathetic... come on league,, grow some balls.
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Posted: Fri Oct 22nd, 2010 08:42 pm |
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| on sky sports news tonight pompey on the verge of closing down.it appears they cant reach an agreement wth the last owner so they cant come out of administration.
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Posted: Sat Oct 23rd, 2010 07:07 am |
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white4ever wrote: on sky sports news tonight pompey on the verge of closing down.it appears they cant reach an agreement wth the last owner so they cant come out of administration.
Yet we still have clubs paying players more money than they can afford. Just turn on this morning's news.
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Posted: Sat Oct 23rd, 2010 10:21 am |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote:
white4ever wrote: on sky sports news tonight pompey on the verge of closing down.it appears they cant reach an agreement wth the last owner so they cant come out of administration.
Yet we still have clubs paying players more money than they can afford. Just turn on this morning's news.
Football on the rails......
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Posted: Sun Oct 24th, 2010 07:17 am |
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Pompeii saved 
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| Appears that Pompey, although starting the season in a new division,they will be starting with what seems to be their now customary minus 10 Points.
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Posted: Thu Jul 12th, 2012 10:27 pm |
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| How long can this thread go on? I suspect as long as Pompey survive!
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Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2012 09:11 am |
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Benny_Bear wrote:
How long can this thread go on? I suspect as long as Pompey survive!
or keep on not surviving?
I suppose on the one hand, disgraceful but on the other lets hope eddie keeps going :-/
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Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2012 09:18 am |
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Yes "there but for the grace of God (or Eddie)".
However I think there is much more to the Portsmouth story that clever lawyers will keep us from knowing ...
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Posted: Fri Jul 13th, 2012 09:29 am |
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What happened to the people who carried out the "Fit and Proper" audit who should have had some idea that the last few owners were living beyond their means and on other peoples money, who may want it back some day.
Sure Happy Harry will find some cash to help them after he bought them the cup.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22nd, 2012 12:10 pm |
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According to Sky Sports, Ben Haim, could put Portsmouth into liquidation in a matter of weeks. Being on £36,000 per week at Portsmouth, and not willing to take any paycuts, since he still has 1 year left on his contract, just makes me just wonder how much was he on a Bolton.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22nd, 2012 01:41 pm |
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As the article ilmplies ( and imo ) this sort of attitude epitomizes all whats wrong with the financial side of the game.
Generally speaking.
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Posted: Sun Jul 22nd, 2012 01:50 pm |
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According to Sky Sports, Ben Haim, could put Portsmouth into liquidation in a matter of weeks. Being on £36,000 per week at Portsmouth, and not willing to take any paycuts, since he still has 1 year left on his contract, just makes me just wonder how much was he on a Bolton.
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He wasn't on a lot, coming from Israel.
Sad to see his demise into Championship averageness though. He probably didn't realise how much he benefited from playing alongside N'Gotty, with such a keen defensively focused manager because at such a young age he looked absolutely top class in our top six side and deserved his move to a bigger club.
Now he's pinching pennies at a second tier club. Shame.
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| TBH, was quality but I think we got a taste of his chracter and personality when he dicked us about over his contract and engineered his move. Shame for the lad as he let greed get in the way of his talent I don't wish him any ill but I don't ever expect to read about him heading up a charity or supporting development of football in his home town. Or walking away from his contract for the benefit of Portsmouth.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2012 09:13 am |
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| Isn't it the case that the wages of these players ( ben heim ,kanu et al) will also be paid in preference to pretty much everyone else, hmrc really need to get back into the courts and have this stupid rule amended somehow. I'd say removed, but I don't think it's fair on other clubs if it was removed completely, there has to be a penalty to 'paying above your way'.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2012 09:40 am |
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Players are employees and as such, deserve to be paid what they're owed......in a contractual way that is. But when you think how agents probably threaten and push clubs into paying higher wages to players, even when they're still only half way through a contract, it's a bit rich that multi-millionaire players stick to their guns and force the club to pay them handsomely, when the tea lady and groundsmen may not see their full wage.
As with the Jimmy Carr affair, it may not be illegal but it's certainly immoral.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2012 11:31 am |
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Football debts have to be paid in full, administrators may only negotiate from the budget after all football debts are covered.
HRMC has no authority or ability to change this rule, I am lead to believe it is a FIFA rule and one that all clubs have to sign up to or else they I are not deemed viable.
You are right what these mercenaries do with regards to cash and getting their corn is scandalous.
But somewhere down the line somebody sanctioned this contract, I suggest they explain why they thought they could pay the wage and what business model it was based on.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2012 12:50 pm |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Players are employees and as such, deserve to be paid what they're owed...
It depends what you mean by "owed".
Certainly you should be paid for work already done, but does "owed" include sticking to a fixed-term contract or should he just get the statutory minimum redundancy payment - which is all that would be available to most employees?
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2012 02:22 pm |
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Sprout wrote: Billy Bradshaw wrote: Players are employees and as such, deserve to be paid what they're owed...
It depends what you mean by "owed".
Certainly you should be paid for work already done, but does "owed" include sticking to a fixed-term contract or should he just get the statutory minimum redundancy payment - which is all that would be available to most employees?
Not sure really. They aren't permenant employees and contract for a fixed period. I guess the club could make them redundant, but football contracts don't really mean much do they? If a player WANTS to leave a club, he expects the club to release him and he doesn't expect to be penalised. But if the club releases the player, then he expects full compo.
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2012 04:37 pm |
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Sprout wrote: Billy Bradshaw wrote: Players are employees and as such, deserve to be paid what they're owed...
It depends what you mean by "owed".
Certainly you should be paid for work already done, but does "owed" include sticking to a fixed-term contract or should he just get the statutory minimum redundancy payment - which is all that would be available to most employees?
Not sure really. They aren't permenant employees and contract for a fixed period. I guess the club could make them redundant, but football contracts don't really mean much do they? If a player WANTS to leave a club, he expects the club to release him and he doesn't expect to be penalised. But if the club releases the player, then he expects full compo.
Not true, players have to buy out their contact or find a club willing to do so (in practice, no transfer fee should ever be more than the remaining value of the contract). Clubs often take less than value because they know a player will perform poorly, so better to take a smaller fee than the contract demands and get the player off the books.
Perhaps performance-related pay for footballers is the way forward?
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Posted: Tue Jul 24th, 2012 08:48 pm |
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D Day approaches for Pompey - 10th August (again)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/18977953
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TBH is allegedly owed £2.5M by Portsmouth, now I have been locked in a meeting room all day so this may have been denied and destroyed by pompey officials.
However if this is the case then he is entitled, as he only agreed to the offer the club thought viable, and if in business you pay more than you can afford then your destiny is set in stone.
He is a creepy bar steward though..
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Posted: Thu Aug 9th, 2012 12:44 pm |
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Portsmouth defender Tal Ben Haim has reached a compromise deal over his wages and has left the stricken club.
The departure of Ben Haim was the last major stumbling block in the club's attempts to avoid liquidation.
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TBH = To be honest
or Tal ben haim
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