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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 06:08 pm |
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Hopefully today will dispel the Coyle myth and attractive football we play. We dont. Today we played more long balls than Stoke and they gobbled us up.
We didnt have a plan of note and to start Elmander in midfield was a joke. Yes, it worked against West Ham...but they are shit...proper shit. Different story against an organised unit like Stoke.
OC is not a god like some here (and players) make him out to be. He has some glaring weaknesses.
Our football was awful full stop. We deserved nothing today.
To those blaming the ref...stop making fools of yourselves.
GS should never put a BWFC shirt on again...WTF was he doing for their third...no awareness of danger.
Petrov is a disgrace.
This should be KD's last season. Time for all to move on.
FM is no footballer. Today showed why.
Congrats to those that stayed the full 90 mins. Football is about winning and losing together.
Im hurting, not angry and not pissed off.
Congratulations to Stoke - i hope they dont win it because it would justify their footballing philopsophy. There are plenty here that fought against that in the BSA era. Nonetheless, they well deserved their win so congratulations.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 06:18 pm |
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| Well said Bolton Bolton. I disagree slightly with your point about the coyle myth, we have played some lovely football this year but some players we have slip back into the hit it and hope mentality- mainly steinsson and knight. I'm hurting because of how we look devoid of ideas and just lumped the ball up aimlessly, was hideous to watch. Other than that I agree with you on most points, Coyle is tactically naive and its the one thing that lets him down.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 06:26 pm |
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We had a few great passages of play definitely but if you actually study the football most of them are long balls into davo before getting it down on the floor. Similar to Stokes style.
we definitely don't play it out from the back and most of the time dont even try to.
and im talking about the whole season.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 06:31 pm |
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| Ashamed. the day was going great until 16.10 Dissappointed with the response of the players. This feels worse than losing in the final. The players have shamed themselves and also they've let down nat with that display. on the train home now, will try to sleep if possible. glad i booked tommorrow off work
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 06:45 pm |
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Well WTF was THAT all about???
humiliation
please god let us not qualify for the Europa league - it would mean certain relegation if this team had to trawl its arse around bloody Bulgaria every week aswell
that was utter dogshit
can you hear that grinding noise??
its Nat Lofthouse turning in his grave
he would be ashamed
ashamed!
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Liam wrote: Ashamed. the day was going great until 16.10 Dissappointed with the response of the players. This feels worse than losing in the final. The players have shamed themselves and also they've let down nat with that display. on the train home now, will try to sleep if possible. glad i booked tommorrow off work
Sorry but dont agree on the Nat point...we had fifty odd years to win it since.
If they've let anybody down, it's the fans. Many of whom are lowly paid who have scraped the money together to not only buy a season ticket but to follow that shower of shit down to London.
It's funny how you never hear about 'doing it for the fans'.
KD just apologised on Twitter...says he's lost for words...i'm not.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 07:03 pm |
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| I have supported bolton since 1957 and had bad times and good,mostly bad, but today ranks as the worst humiliating embarrassing time i have ever experienced in my entire time as a fan.Coyle i blame you 100%pullis p1ssed all over you, you are an idiot.As for the players 11 turds would have done better.Robinson should never play again.Bolton wanderers are an embarrassment to thier fans. Right now i am sick of the team ,the manager, and i need a break from them,they could beat fulham 7-0 nil next week and i wouldnt give a toss !! Bloody useless w&nkers i actually dispise them for todays humiliation,it could only happen to bolton yes bolton no other team in the football league would have lost 5-0 to stoke i reckon.Coyle move on? to what?.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 07:04 pm |
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I don't doubt kev he's an honest guy and i do think he'll be hurting tonight.
The problem is the mindless lumps forward from Robbo (who was appalling today, player of the year???? GTF!) and Knight (anti football SOB)
if there isn't a pass on PLAY IT BACK TO JUSSI hell at least we keep possession that way are they fcuking retarded???
what good is it kicking it into touch for a goal kick to them???
someone please explain that logic to me, fcuking idiots.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 07:50 pm |
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Bad day at the office .. topped off with shameful Bolton fans throwing stuff at cars .. racially abusing Wembley officials and in fighting .. Owen ignored us.. Yes there were only a few of us left wanting to acknowledge we disappointed but in context of a season that's been uplifting the reaction by most was ridiculous.
away supporting with this club is embarrassing..
fans were off their heads drunk walking up
Wembley way spitting dirty foul mouthed abuse at Stoke fans .
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 07:57 pm |
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We lost. We got battered and humiliated. I'm truly embarrassed by that performance but, come on, there have been far worse disppointments over the years than that. Each and every one of the many relegations in the 40-odd years I have been a fan was worse than that. Just reflect back to where we were December 2009, or relegation to Div 4 in 1987.
Just hope today is a reality check for Coyle. He still has a massive clearance job to do. He has taken Megson's team way above what we expected but perhaps this was a step too far. We are nowhere near ready for a European campaign - then again neither are Stoke and Birmingham.
Rebuild Part 2 in the summer I hope, plus maybe he can look at some of the young players who have just signed professional contracts now and get them to help us move forward.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 07:57 pm |
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Amazing that just a week after a great performance we don't turn up for what could be the biggest game of their careers. It showed that we have too many players not up to the mark, and how much we missed Holden and Sturridge. Elmander is not a centre midfielder in the memory of man, and Steinsson is just garbage, wit Robbo not far behind. The defending was like schoolboy play, all ball watching.
I am totally embarassed and depressed on what should and could have been a glorious day. I am OC's biggest fan, but today his performance was abject.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 07:59 pm |
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just back from the game and like others im sickened by that performance. Looking forward to listening/reading what manager and players have to say about that.
Ok...the game
It was POOR POOR POOR.
I want to slag off the players for being so bad but I dont know where to start so cant be bothered at the moment but some players should be ashamed of themselves. They were awful and have lost alot of the fans respect. Im sure some will never get it back.
The team needs an overhaul in summer.
LCY was full of running however and when M.Davis came on he looked like the only player with a football brain and a bit of craft.
Seriously cant believe that performance and just want to put that game to bed but know that I cant. I want answers!!!!
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 08:10 pm |
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Tweek, get real and please at least talk with a tiny bit of common sense. Let's put it simply, today was a terrible day for this football club and a lot of us are hurting. Robinson and Steinsson both showed that they lack quality on the bal, and struggle against tricky wingers with pace. Zat Knight doesn't understand the importance of ball retention. Petrov is a lazy pig, Muamba isn't a footballer and most importantly Owen Coyle isn't as brilliant as we all think. He has done a great job over the past year, but he desperately needs to improve the tactical side to his management. I think both his selection and tactics for todays game was wrong and as soon as we went 2-0 heads went down and it looked as if we had nothing to offer to get back into the game.
Now I for one am suffering at the moment but I believe it is what is done from here that is the most important. We have had a brilliant season (albeit spoilt today) but we need to now finish the season on a high and the management need to start preparing for next season already. I'm sure teams like Blackburn, Villa, Sunderland would love to have a season like we've had this year and I hope many people don't forget that.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 08:17 pm |
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| Well said christiep, we are all hurting today but lets not turn our backs on the club or the team , like christiep said its what happens from here on in that matters we need a big rebuild in the summer thats a given but remember your club is for life not just through the good times !!!
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 08:30 pm |
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oh, and something else that has pissed me off. Why were we talking about doing it for Nat? This game was dedicated to Nat...great!!!!
Why didnt we play the game and then if we won we could have dedicated it to him, not before.
When we played the league game after his passing we dedicated it to him before the game and lost and now we have gone and done the same at Wembley.
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I was a little saddened to see so many fans leave the game with 20 mins to play. However this dosent suprise me as I believe alot of supposed BWFC fans only show their faces when the club is doing well. I have witnessed it in the past and will witness it in the future.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 08:32 pm |
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urquhs wrote: Bad day at the office .. topped off with shameful Bolton fans throwing stuff at cars .. racially abusing Wembley officials and in fighting .. Owen ignored us.. Yes there were only a few of us left wanting to acknowledge we disappointed but in context of a season that's been uplifting the reaction by most was ridiculous.
away supporting with this club is embarrassing..
fans were off their heads drunk walking up
Wembley way spitting dirty foul mouthed abuse at Stoke fans .
Not happy
I saw plenty of that too. It was disgusting and pathetic. Unfortunately i saw too much of it to say it was a tiny minority. Im pretty sure the Wembley staff are delighted they wont have to put up with us again. These scumbags drag the name of the club through the mud.
Anyway, the match...im over it. Move on. Its a reality check for us...were not as good as some would have you believe. Plenty of work to be done in the summer. Ship some out, bring a few in...all good. OC will be a step closer to the players he needs to really implement his thinking. Clearly we cant do what he wants at the moment.
We've suffered much worse so lets get this in perspective.
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 08:39 pm |
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| As i said earlier we are all feeling down , i just remember the game against Aldershot when we were relegated to the old 4th division yep that certainly puts todays game into perspective !!
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 09:10 pm |
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Ok, just back from Wembley and this is my take on the game and some of the posts I've read above.
Stoke played well....not great....just well. They played exactly as Stoke play, but we made them look like Real Madrid.
I was surprised at the starting line up. I don't know a Bolton fan who thinks Klasnic is a 90 minute player. Today, he bimbled around like a little-boy-lost. Knight did ok on the defending part of his job, but every time, the same old blind hoof up front. I've defended him on this forum, because he's done his main job relatively well at times. Wheater tries to play the ball out of defence as Cahill does. Wheater should have started the game.
Do some of you remember the 2 or 3 posts I've made regarding Steinsson over the last few months? I was criticised by some for saying he can't tackle and shouldn't play first team football because he isn't good enough. Today, i was proved right once again. Petrov has been shite since he came to Bolton, but on a wide pitch and fantastic playing surface (and given his last couple of games), i thought he'd revel in the conditions. How wrong was I. He was rubbish. At one point, Robinson was on the wing and Petrov was playing centre forward.
Jussi was a bit headless chicken at times, but not much he could have done for most of the goals. Cahill didn't look that good, but he never does when the rest of his defence are committing professional suicide all around him.
Chungy........did he play? Again, a perfect surface for him, yet only briefly looked like he might spark. Elmander was playing so deep he needed one of those head torches. Muamba......it's already been said. It's a good job he's got a masters degree because he isn't a footballer. Klasnic I've mentioned above. I didn't realise he was on the pitch for the most part. KD.....well, hard to judge. Had some poor decisions go against him where he was blatantly fouled, but then he always does. Spent so much time on his aris.....I thought he'd morphed into Drogba. But i say hard to judge because he spent the whole game trying to win aimless balls and when he did win them, there was nobody there to takle them. Klasnic was away with the fairies and Elmander was coal mining. Stoke ran rings around Robinson all day. I mean...Coyle was saving him just for this game. He was on a kamikaze mission today.
The only bright spark was Mark Davies. Don't get me wrong.....he was no superstar, but when he came on, he ran at them and they didn't like it. Taylor......well, he was no better or worse than any other player.
Coyle will continue to improve our team and despite what some people think (Tweek gets an honorary mention here), he's done good things in his first season. The football has been better. But none of this means he gets away without criticism. His team sheet was flawed IMO. Also, I know it's hard to do anything as a manager on the sidelines, but when things are going wrong, I want to see Coyle in that technical area barking instructions to the team....not one of his little helpers!! Coyle hid for much of the game, and when he did show his face, he stood there just watching, probably wondering what the hell he could do?
Stoke deserved their win and they should have had at least three more....and I only saw 75 minutes of the game. I had wanted to leave on 60 minutes, but my son wanted to see if we could salvage some pride. I believe the media reported that some Bolton fans left at half time. I'm not sure about that....they could have been going for a whisky!! I think that the least the team could have done was to thank the fans...especially Coyle. Someone had to lose that game, and you can't get all upset about the money you've shelled out, just because you lose. But what really pisses people off is when you shell out the money and the team don't even turn up. This was a very winnable game. Stoke did everything right, but that doesn't mean they were outstanding.
Steinsson must go and hopefully, we won't see him in a Bolton first team shirt again. A poor excuse for a defender. Ditto Petrov. The guy is just showing up for his wages and presumably put extra effort in recently to ensure his Wembley trip? Muamba comes across as a decent and honest guy, so I'll be equally honest....you aint no PL footballer. You can't shoot, you can't control the ball, and recently....you can't even tackle. Klasnic is a squad player and will never be anything more. I would keep Knight, but as a back up. We need central defenders that don't panic and can play the ball out. Left and right back.......we mainly need someone who throws in a tackle now and then.
This game took us back in time, to when all we did was hoof the ball in the air. Yes, we still do it now....most teams do, but we've mixed it up this season. This was one-track Megson (nee) Allardyce football at its worst. We were a laughing stock today and there was no way i was going to hang around for the aftermath. We stopped at Stafford services on the way home, and despite it being a balmy night, I put my fleece on in case anyone realised I was a Bolton fan.
The only consolation for me from today would be if I found out that most of our players have had trouble sleeping, but I fear they'll sleep like babies tonight.
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| Yes seats were empty after half time .. people in front of us never returned even though they had said they were on the coach .. God knows where they went ..
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| Yes seats were empty after half time .. people in front of us never returned even though they had said they were on the coach .. God knows where they went ..
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Posted: Sun Apr 17th, 2011 09:26 pm |
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Great post Billy. I think you've hit the nail on the head with almost everything you say. I especially like the bit about Zat Knight. He's had a great season, but if you want to be playing attractive pass and move football, it starts from the back with your centre backs playing the simple pass to the midfielder on show. Unfortunately Knight likes to lump the ball up too many times, bypassing midfield.
My outs this summer (this includes Cahill and Elmander)
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Joey O'brien
Ricardo Gardner
Sean Davis
Robbie Blake
Let's promote a few of the youngsters in to contention and 4-5 good quality signings and we should be okay.
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urquhs wrote:
Bad day at the office .. topped off with shameful Bolton fans throwing stuff at cars .. racially abusing Wembley officials and in fighting .. Owen ignored us.. Yes there were only a few of us left wanting to acknowledge we disappointed but in context of a season that's been uplifting the reaction by most was ridiculous.
away supporting with this club is embarrassing..
fans were off their heads drunk walking up
Wembley way spitting dirty foul mouthed abuse at Stoke fans .
Not happy
There's always that portion of complete idiots though with us these days. They've watched Green Street and all of a sudden think that being a complete dickhead at the football is what is expected. There was a load of them at the 2-2 away game against Blackburn a few years back and there and then I told myself that I'd never follow us away again it was that embarrassing. It wasn't too long after that I wanted to start going again, you just have to put up with the complete idiots unfortunately.
Less said about the match the better. I've seen more passion in my fruit bowl.
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Good post Billy, agree with the majority but you are to lenient on Jussi. He's been at fault A LOT this season and to get beat from outside the box 3 times in a game is unacceptable. The first was a good strike but the 2nd and 4th were because he couldn't adjust his feet quickly enough, mother nature catches up with everyone. For me, Al Habsi or Bogdan would have done better, there's no room for sentiment and he must go now.
The team selection on the whole was terrible, Klasnic just doesn't look fit enough to start a match, Petrov is a useless c*nt, Elmander isn't dangerous and big kev looked all of his 33 years today. We could write them all off but to be honest it was probably just a very, very bad day at the office.
Beginning of the season top ten and semi final of a cup would have been a decent outcome, lets be thankful we're not blackburn fans.
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Philsfaxmachine wrote: Good post Billy, agree with the majority but you are to lenient on Jussi. He's been at fault A LOT this season and to get beat from outside the box 3 times in a game is unacceptable. The first was a good strike but the 2nd and 4th were because he couldn't adjust his feet quickly enough, mother nature catches up with everyone. For me, Al Habsi or Bogdan would have done better, there's no room for sentiment and he must go now.
The team selection on the whole was terrible, Klasnic just doesn't look fit enough to start a match, Petrov is a useless c*nt, Elmander isn't dangerous and big kev looked all of his 33 years today. We could write them all off but to be honest it was probably just a very, very bad day at the office.
Beginning of the season top ten and semi final of a cup would have been a decent outcome, lets be thankful we're not blackburn fans.
I find it hard to disagree on Jussi, but he got off lightly because i can't make my mind up about him? It's difficult with keepers. A howler one minute, a world class save the next. But way back when we had the Jussi/Ali debate, i opted for Ali based on his skill and his age.
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I love Jussi to bits, but as has been pointed out, it's not just today - it's quite clear he's not having a great season.
Absolute heroic servant to the club, but you have to move on at some point. Al Habsi is a blinding keeper and if we let him go we are shooting ourselves in the foot.
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Good post Billy! Spot on with it.
Not nice to see Knight at his absolute worst;
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Slightly off tangent but I heard a great story today, the half time team talk Bruce Rioch gave at Wembley when we were 2-0 down to Reading. He walked in the dressing room and left the door open so the players could hear the Bolton fans singing 'we are the one and only wanderers'. He told the players that the fans had come a long way and still had hope so to get out and do something in the second half.
It sounds sad but hearing that choked me, took me back to being 19 at wembley and praying at half time for a miracle. I actually thought at half time today, as Coyle was in that same dressing room he might have given a similar inspirational talk but it wasn't to be. Made me also think though that I've had some great times being a wanderers fan.
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| Completely agree Woody. The problem we have though is that I think its come to the point where if Al Habsi isn't number one next year then he's not going to be a Bolton Wanderers Player next season. Tough choice for owen. For me I'd pick Al Habsi and look towards the future of this football club. I also want to see a lot more of young Danny Ward next season too.
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| I dont mind getting beat in any game as long as we get a performance from the team , that display or indeed lack of display is hard to stomach .
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| OC hasnt got it in him to drop a player who has been here a while. He has proven that time and time again this season.
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