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Posted: Tue Jul 19th, 2011 10:41 pm |
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On Friday i was visiting a friend in the town centre of Horwich and whilst in the house the parents of my friends wife rushed in and said that some youths had kicked the wing mirror off my car and i needed to go and speak to them.
So i went outside and up the street to see two police officers pinning a 14(ish) year old to the ground with his arm bent back and in obvious pain.
I told the ofgficers to get off him and was pushed back and out of view of his "arrest".
Two average looking men in their late 40's were protesting that the boy had been with the lad who kicked my car but had not kicked it which is why he had not run off when they chased.They were told to leave or face arrest too.
An officer in his late 40's or early 50's had cut his finger trying to attatch the glass from my mirror to the casing and told me not to worry as he was going to get a kicking.
I told him i didn't want this and that he obviously wasn't the lad who had done the damage(a small web of cracks in the corner)so he didn't desrve this.I was told wait there and left alone with my friends and the two men who swore the kid committed no crime.
I drove off and have felt like sh1t since.
What the hell happens to you when you put on that uniform?
My best friends girlfriend once fell out of my flat window and was out cold for 14 hours, they had called round on a sunday and were a bit drunk after being in the legion all afternoon.My friend nipped home to get some money for a takeaway and i nipped to the loo.
The window in my flat was missing the guard and she went head first and lanbded on flags.Iheard the noise from the other end of the flat and i'll never forget it.Any way i jumed through the window and saw her lying there with thick blood all over her face i rang an ambulence then her boyfrind.
By the time the ambulence and police hgad turned up there were about 40 people there with family and friends so we were organising lifts to the hospital and my mate jumped into the ambulence with his girlfrind but the police dragged him out and tried to restrain him.He was drunk but this wasn't really a factor because he had sobered up a hell of a lot in those 40 minutes.5 police officers put him to the ground and tried to spray him with pepper spray, unfortunatly the cop with the spray didn't check the nozzle and sprayed in rigt in the face of the officer next to him providing a great comedy moment.
I told my friend to colm dow and said i would make sure she was alright, so i was telling people which car to get in when the police arrested me!I arrived at Astly bridge police station and saw a chalk board on a cell door saying my mates name and attempted murder on it...he wasn't even in the flat when it happened!!
Long story short we spent 14 hrs in custody till his girlfriend came round and explained.
So i don't trust them in the slightest.
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Whilst living in the same flat i saw a lad breaking into the window of an old man and raced out i caught him as he jumped of the outbuilding's roof but he slipped his coat and was off.Unfortunatly for him his mobile was in his pocket and the police rang his dad and waited for him to get home and arrested and convicted him.Some of these officers were so careing to the victim that i couldnt believe they were the same men who treated us so badly.
Nearly two years later there was an arson attack on the flat next door and the two girls inside were lucky to get out and yet again the same copper attended(amongst loads)and actually praised me for raising the alarm.
How can the same person be so kind and so cruel and is it the uniform?
I got my own back on that officer by the way....he went to the same resort as my sister and she didn't leave him alone for two weeks!
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Posted: Tue Jul 19th, 2011 10:51 pm |
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| Where do you live? The Chapsworth? ;-D
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Posted: Tue Jul 19th, 2011 11:21 pm |
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Liam wrote: Where do you live? The Chapsworth? ;-D
Believe me as i was typing it it sounded shameless.
But it was a quiet little square where only me and 2 others were under 60 bet they are glad im gone now!!
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 08:45 am |
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Some years ago i was having trouble with a 25yr old yob who threatend me.
I knew through work two cops,i told them about it.
They asked me where he drank and did he drive to the pub? i said he did.
They told me to buy a small bottle of whisky and give it to them.
He was arrested a few days later for resisting arrest stinking of whisky and in charge of a motor vehicle.Back of the net.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 09:13 am |
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I got mugged in Manchester, when I was 16, in spitting distance from a police station. I went straight in, told them I'd been mugged and I knew exactly where the mugger went, and they just said "sit down, wait there until we can see you" (in two hours time). After this two hours, plus time to take a statement, they took me for a ride around Manchester in a police van to see if I could see him.
Also, when taking my statement, I told them that the guy was putting on a Scouse accent but clearly wasn't a Scouser, and they wrote down "came from the Liverpool area".
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 09:29 am |
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Be nice if they shot out and grabbed him,but the cops dont work like that in this country.
I would not have wasted my time going to them.
If you knew him or where he was there are better more satisfiying ways of closure.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 11:59 am |
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my ex placed an external taping device on my phone and recoded my calls, subsequently he knew my movements and caused me a lot of trouble. He eventually started playing the calls back to me telling me someone else had done it and had posted the tapes to him. I got very worried, then he told me he had had a phone call and i was in danger and to leave the house with the children.
I didnt i called the police, who attended. I showed the the text messages about the threats and taped calls.They ranh my ex and he admitted i wasnt under threat, he had made it up to scare me. He later told me he hoped i was so scared i took refuge at his, thus forcing us together. I had an email saying this.
The police wouldnt do anything and i went to the police station about the taped calls, and asked to press charges. He was brought in and questioned, admitted it..
His defence was i told him to do it.
The police would not persue it, they wouldnt even put it to CPS..
I was livid
I asked if there was any connection that my ex had a brother who was a policeman... nuff said.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 02:09 pm |
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Nice ex! 
I understand having a pop at them for the things they do wrong. They deserve it. But they also get a lot of things right, and we shouldn't forget that.
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 05:38 pm |
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 09:29 pm |
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We have the best Police in the world. The amount of 5hit they have to put up with and the amount of restraint they have to show, I can easily forgive the odd one or two who let their high standards slip occasionally. Heroes, the lot of em 
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Posted: Wed Jul 20th, 2011 10:08 pm |
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Harry Genshaw wrote:
We have the best Police in the world. The amount of 5hit they have to put up with and the amount of restraint they have to show, I can easily forgive the odd one or two who let their high standards slip occasionally. Heroes, the lot of em
Yep.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21st, 2011 07:59 pm |
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There were no hero's in Horwich that night.
Uniformed thugs.
My point was that how can the same police officers who seemed to care so much one minute then assault a 14 yr old kid who's only crime was to be in the wrong place at the wrong time?
I never inteded to start a thread slagging the police i just don't un derstand what happens when you put that helmet on.
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Posted: Thu Jul 21st, 2011 10:26 pm |
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Not trying to justify it cos I wasn't there but I imagine they'd had a night of running around after all sorts of scrotes and chavs engaging in petty arguments. Getting verbally abused and spat at then come across the criminal damage incident. They probably recognised the little darling as one of the lads they have trouble with every shift and rightly got a grip of him. Then members of the public start sticking their oar in.....
If a gang of kids are misbehaving and the slow one gets caught and a kicking as opposed to the one individual who actually committed the offence..well I aint gonna lose sleep over it.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 09:09 am |
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| Add to this the cuts that they have taken (and it's going to get much worse) in their manpower, and they won't be able to cope. Most people, no matter what their jobs are, get hacked-off at times. In a few years time, the police aren't going to be able to cope and crime will rocket. Is this what you call protecting the police Mr Scameron?
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Posted: Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 06:28 pm |
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Few of them kids need a good hiding sometimes. If he knew him, he was probably doing the same at one point.
However would that teach him anything probably not.
The bad thing is (and i hear this occasionally) when the victim catches the little sh*t and maybe takes them back to the thugs parents and they are just as bad and have a go at you too. No hope.
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Posted: Fri Jul 22nd, 2011 09:23 pm |
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if i gave someone a good kicking because i had a bad day, i would expect to be in trouble. If i turned down a work request with obvious merit, i would expect to be in trouble.. but then again, i dont wear a uniform, and sadly havent had the training for months.
What is wrong with people, always justifying unfairness and wrong. If my son was aprehended and detained because of wrong place , wrong time, i may understand.. but if he was kicked and assaulted, believe me i wouldn't.. and i wouldn't stop until those reslonsible were held to account.
It telling that so many people have incidence of police wrongdoing
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Posted: Tue Jul 26th, 2011 07:54 pm |
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Harry Genshaw wrote: Not trying to justify it cos I wasn't there but I imagine they'd had a night of running around after all sorts of scrotes and chavs engaging in petty arguments. Getting verbally abused and spat at then come across the criminal damage incident. They probably recognised the little darling as one of the lads they have trouble with every shift and rightly got a grip of him. Then members of the public start sticking their oar in.....
If a gang of kids are misbehaving and the slow one gets caught and a kicking as opposed to the one individual who actually committed the offence..well I aint gonna lose sleep over it.
It was OTT mate, 1 small boy against at least 5 grown men.
It was MY car and if i had seen him do it i would have exploded but it was so wrong that i never even got angry with the kid.
Funny i have not been contacted by the police in regards to the Criminal damage charges and if thats because the police didn't get my reg number then maybe all five of them need to be retrained?
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Posted: Fri Jul 29th, 2011 11:08 pm |
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I wanna be a police officer....carry on moaning about them i'll nick you all  there are some right ******* of cops out there who will do everything they can to get a reaction... but there some really lovely ones who do care and try there best. in personal experience there are some great people
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Posted: Sat Aug 6th, 2011 12:23 am |
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Dezza wrote:
I wanna be a police officer....carry on moaning about them i'll nick you all there are some right ******* of cops out there who will do everything they can to get a reaction... but there some really lovely ones who do care and try there best. in personal experience there are some great people
No one's got a problem with the nice police!!
Perhaps if you do join the force you could give us all your mobile number so we can ring you direct lol.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17th, 2011 01:38 am |
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The next chapter,
Two weeks ago my eldest lad(14) was beaten and robbed after playing xbox at his friends house.He was walking home when two lads demanded his games and absolutly battered him when he said no.They stamped on his head and kicked him in the face.
I wasn't here when the police came as i was watching the 16 yr old who did it brag to his friends.Within 45 minutes of describing him to "friends" ihad his name and address.
The police arrested the 14 year old involved and scared the death out of him with a caution, whilst the second lad was never arrested.
I only know that the younger lad was cautioned because of my "friends" the police have decided that now we have all given statments(my sons by video which i had to take him to)that they no longer need to keep us in the loop.
My missus mentioned to police that the other lads name was _ _ _ _/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _(so f**kin' tempted)..and that he had bragged about it on facebook....they did precisely nothing.
My lads autistic and his friends was the only place he would goto he comes home from school now and puts his pj's on.it's so wrong.
He says it's his fault for being stupid and not putting his games in his bag but you shouldn't have to.
This country has gone to the dogs now and there's no way back.
Not a brightside but a glint of silver,after the lad recovered from his injuries we got the games back and he even stopped the bullies at school targeting my lad.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17th, 2011 08:38 am |
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This is terrible, how can the police not arrest someone when you have the evidence?..
I dont get the last line, who is protecting your son from bullies and got his games back.. was one of the attackers injured too?
If this was in Bolton, i would like to know... but nithing suprises me about the police in Bolton, they have let me and my children down big time.
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scentless_apprentice wrote: The next chapter,
Two weeks ago my eldest lad(14) was beaten and robbed after playing xbox at his friends house.He was walking home when two lads demanded his games and absolutly battered him when he said no.They stamped on his head and kicked him in the face.
I wasn't here when the police came as i was watching the 16 yr old who did it brag to his friends.Within 45 minutes of describing him to "friends" ihad his name and address.
The police arrested the 14 year old involved and scared the death out of him with a caution, whilst the second lad was never arrested.
I only know that the younger lad was cautioned because of my "friends" the police have decided that now we have all given statments(my sons by video which i had to take him to)that they no longer need to keep us in the loop.
My missus mentioned to police that the other lads name was _ _ _ _/ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _(so f**kin' tempted)..and that he had bragged about it on facebook....they did precisely nothing.
My lads autistic and his friends was the only place he would goto he comes home from school now and puts his pj's on.it's so wrong.
He says it's his fault for being stupid and not putting his games in his bag but you shouldn't have to.
This country has gone to the dogs now and there's no way back.
Not a brightside but a glint of silver,after the lad recovered from his injuries we got the games back and he even stopped the bullies at school targeting my lad.
The justice system needs a complete overhaul.
We have the Tory Lord (jailed for fraud on his expenses) who has been released 9 weeks into a 9 month sentence because he was suffering from 'depression'. I think I would be too if I were in jail. Then we have young people jailed for months and sometimes years for stealing a bottle of water during the recent riots. They should be punished, but these are political sentences, set to show how tough the government is being on crime.
I watch some of these police shows on Sky, and you hear police officers going as far as they can in criticising the fact that repeat offenders will get off very lightly and they know they will be arresting him again in a few days. It's coming to something when people have no fear of going to jail. They would murder somneone to steal a tenner and show no emotion whatsoever when they get sentenced??
Something is seriously wrong.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17th, 2011 10:08 am |
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F*cking w*nkers.
I think you shoukd be allowed to name and shame them SCentless Apprentice.
The little scroats stealing is bad enough but too attack him too is disgusting.
Billy is correct the justice system is scary at times.
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Posted: Sat Sep 17th, 2011 10:19 am |
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I didn't want to comment on this thread as it's obvious the scentless_apprentice has taken a dislike to me
However, that lad needs to be taught a lesson, the police know it and you know it, their hands are tied so you make need to make a choice. Allow a bully to get away with it or deal with him yourself.
I hope your lad recovers and doesn't come accross these ferral scrotes again.
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Posted: Wed Sep 21st, 2011 08:25 pm |
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The lad who attacked my son ran into some trouble himself and though his trouble and my lads trouble were totally unrelated he decided that giving the games back and making sure my lad doesnt get bullied anymore was in his best interests.
I live in Horwich Liam but it's as bad as anywhere else these day's.
PFM I decided to ignore all comments you make with reference to BWFC, however on non BWFC topics your opinion is as valids as the next mans....unless the next man is Bullit.
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