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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 11:35 am |
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Always amuses me when people on here moan about what the club should have done. Why has there been no credit to Coyle for putting Bogdan in the team?? He was brilliant at Spurs and Wolves and since that Chelsea game, has really grown into the role.
But then again, I shouldnt be surprised. People tend to have selective memories and biased opinions to support their argument (I include myself, although on a minority of issues). Maybe just, just maybe, Coyle saw something in Bogdan that he could cut it in the top division. But then again, some will say it was more through luck than intention.
If Coyle ever read these forums he must wonder why do I even bother??
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This is a fairly easy argument/dicussion, without using hindsight.
May 30th 2011, You have 3 very good Goalkeepers no argument.
1. Has played a full season, got player of the season for his club and the clubs fans vote him player of the season. 27 - 28 years old.
2. Has played a full season, played well but had a disaster in the clubs most important game for 53 years (OK a stretch) is coming to the end of a great career 36 years old.
3. Waiting to make his debut looks like he has bags of potential but yet to be involved full time. At the start of his career 22-23 years old.
Who would you look to take the team forward for the next and future seasons ?
As Valderee says it is pointless other than for me to say "I told you so" but thanks for the opportunities..
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le god wrote:
If he ever did read them he'd hire you as his PR officer.
That would be nice actually. I would get paid to come on here!!!
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Billy Bradshaw wrote: Catte Strophe wrote: The signature is for bdi, as I was rude for comedy effect on his post...
This is a meeting where everyone appears to be presenting on how important their role is within the company, must be a reorganisation coming.... yawn.
You can be rude to bdi as he's old and won't remember anyway!
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Not only will Ali have saved them a few times this season. He would have given the back line a hell of a lot of confidence.
The rest of the team won't be afraid to play football with a good keeper. They will pass it instead of hoofing it out of the box just to get it away. Wigan have been complimented on "playing football" a lot this season. Their bad luck has come in front of goal most of the time.
Knowing you have a man like Ali between the sticks can do the team a world of good. It helps when your keeper doesn't just kick the ball out of his hands every time he has it too.
Ali was the best keeper at this club no ifs, buts or maybes. It was all about money. I reckon he's earned more points for Wigan than NGog has earned for us. I know which signing I think was the better one.
Considering Wigan don't have that 12th man at home. They haven't done that bad to be honest.
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| If Wigan have one point more than we do at the end of the season and that one point difference means we go down and they stay up then the decision to sell our best keeper to fellow relegation candidates at the start of the season will, in my view, be the reason for the end of our PL days.
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BringBackBurndenPark wrote:
Not only will Ali have saved them a few times this season. He would have given the back line a hell of a lot of confidence.
The rest of the team won't be afraid to play football with a good keeper. They will pass it instead of hoofing it out of the box just to get it away. Wigan have been complimented on "playing football" a lot this season. Their bad luck has come in front of goal most of the time.
Knowing you have a man like Ali between the sticks can do the team a world of good. It helps when your keeper doesn't just kick the ball out of his hands every time he has it too.
Ali was the best keeper at this club no ifs, buts or maybes. It was all about money. I reckon he's earned more points for Wigan than NGog has earned for us. I know which signing I think was the better one.
Considering Wigan don't have that 12th man at home. They haven't done that bad to be honest. Spot on Sheer suicide selling him to wigan.I am sick of hearing how we couldn,t give him 1st choice position, well we bloody well should have he is better than the bog man by far for me. wigan safe, us gone i reckon, loss to swansea while QPR beat spurs. Game over.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 04:56 pm |
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| Ngog a total waste of money, no one else wanted him.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 05:26 pm |
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No
He's plays football at least
Now , Sordell on the other hand.....
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 05:28 pm |
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If Wigan have one point more than we do at the end of the season and that one point difference means we go down and they stay up then the decision to sell our best keeper to fellow relegation candidates at the start of the season will, in my view, be the reason for the end of our PL days.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 05:46 pm |
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Loftys Roar wrote: sweetmcdonald wrote:
If Wigan have one point more than we do at the end of the season and that one point difference means we go down and they stay up then the decision to sell our best keeper to fellow relegation candidates at the start of the season will, in my view, be the reason for the end of our PL days.
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Yep....football scholars will point to the sale of Ali for years to come, when trying to explain why we went down. The Ali debate is boring now. Of all the players we've bought and sold, none has been debated more than the sale of Ali.....and he wasn't even a first-teamer. We've also replaced him with a keeper who hasn't really let us down at all since he's taken over from Jussi.
A lot if fuss and nonsense about nothing and detracts from the real reasons (there are lots and none of them to do with the sale of our reserve keeper) why we may go down this season. This has a lot more to do with finding yet another reason to beat the manager and board over the head, rather than why we may get relegated. As I've said before, at least half the PL could potentially in the mix for a bottom-of-the-table dogfight, and we can't avoid selling players to all of them.
It doesn't matter HOW good Ali is, if we win our games in hand, we overhaul Wigan. It doesn't matter what Wigan and Saint Ali do in their remaining games. Just to clarify, because someone will say it.....I'm not saying we will win those games. I'm just making the point that it doesn't matter what Wigan do, if we do what WE need to do.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 05:56 pm |
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| Exactly none has been debated more than the sale of ali says it all really.
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Tweek wrote: Exactly none has been debated more than the sale of ali says it all really.
I agree Tweek.......a load of old nonsense!
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 06:01 pm |
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| Remember what confidence he gave us that time jussi was out,he was our best keeper and should have kept his place. He was eventually rewarded by being shown the door by a very inept manager.
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Tweek wrote: Remember what confidence he gave us that time jussi was out,he was our best keeper and should have kept his place. He was eventually rewarded by being shown the door by a very inept manager.
I agree that he should have kept his place and I wanted him promoted over Jussi when we had the big debate on this........many, many months ago.
But he didn't.........and he wanted to go (he wasn't shown the door btw)......we were happy to sell him....and a good deal was had by all. End of story and time to move on from debating the sale of our reserve keeper.
We have a team full of duds, and we're debating Ali........unbelievable.
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Tweek wrote: Dont forget the biggest dud of all coyley.
Well we're not even debating him personally any longer. We're pining over a keeper.
Still.....it's a forum and people can debate what they like. For me, I've said my last word on whether selling Ali was right or wrong.
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When Holden is back I say we should loan him out. Give him some playing time. He's been out for a while, might have lost his touch. To Wigan maybe. Similar team to us.
We have Mavies and Reo and Pratley in the centre so we have the players there to fill in the gaps.
An hey if he does well and plays the way we know he can maybe they will put a bid in for him and we can make some much needed money on him.
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BringBackBurndenPark wrote: When Holden is back I say we should loan him out. Give him some playing time. He's been out for a while, might have lost his touch. To Wigan maybe. Similar team to us.
We have Mavies and Reo and Pratley in the centre so we have the players there to fill in the gaps.
An hey if he does well and plays the way we know he can maybe they will put a bid in for him and we can make some much needed money on him.
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When Holden is back I say we should loan him out. Give him some playing time. He's been out for a while, might have lost his touch. To Wigan maybe. Similar team to us.
We have Mavies and Reo and Pratley in the centre so we have the players there to fill in the gaps.
An hey if he does well and plays the way we know he can maybe they will put a bid in for him and we can make some much needed money on him. 
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| Hey maybe wigan could use a cover for habsi while they are still in the prem next season. Im sure coyley will sell them boggy on the cheap.
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The debate is utter cobnuts.
1. The season he was on loan we didn't need him - we finished above Wigan.
2. In the summer Al Habsi made it plain he wanted first team football guaranteed and we couldn't give it him - on the evidence of the previous season that was reasonable.
3. Should we have sold Wigan Jussi instead. They didn't want him and he didn't want to go.
4. To give Al Habsi what he wanted who should we have sold him to instead? Well there was a queue of 1, if I recall, Wigan, even when it plain we were willing to sell.
5. Bogdan had shown his potential the previous season; Lainton was used to a 1st team bench role too. In fact Lynch and Fielding are highly rated. How many good keepers do we flippin' need???
We will not go down because we sold Ali, we will go down because our defence has been awful no matter who was in goal, even Cahill in my view, our midfield unreliable without Holden, and our strikers either off form too often or getting poor service.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 07:40 pm |
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The debate is utter cobnuts.
1. The season he was on loan we didn't need him - we finished above Wigan.
That's not really logical is it. It's not about 'needing' him. What most thought was annoying was that Ali was our best keeper at the perfect age and clearly better than an aging Jussi.
We should always be looking to improve our team and Ali was the best option in most people's eyes. That's why most people are annoyed.
But it's been and gone. It's a really strange argument because both sides continue to remain unobjective and just state the facts FOR or AGAINST and don't come to any middle ground.
He was our best keeper, he was sold (probably) to generate funds. Fair enough. It hasn't really worked out as we'd like just yet but maybe we will get more from N'Gog if we can stay up and get some players who can play football in the middle of the park to give him a sniff of service.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 08:03 pm |
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Tweek wrote:
Ngog a total waste of money, no one else wanted him.
Not quite true. Allardyce wanted him at West Spam
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Tweek wrote: Hey maybe wigan could use a cover for habsi while they are still in the prem next season. Im sure coyley will sell them boggy on the cheap.
Great to see every post from you is a Positive one, whatever the subject...
Once you stop these Positive Post, then i will surely be lost, and have to sit at home twiddling my thumbs...
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Tweek wrote: BringBackBurndenPark wrote:
Not only will Ali have saved them a few times this season. He would have given the back line a hell of a lot of confidence.
The rest of the team won't be afraid to play football with a good keeper. They will pass it instead of hoofing it out of the box just to get it away. Wigan have been complimented on "playing football" a lot this season. Their bad luck has come in front of goal most of the time.
Knowing you have a man like Ali between the sticks can do the team a world of good. It helps when your keeper doesn't just kick the ball out of his hands every time he has it too.
Ali was the best keeper at this club no ifs, buts or maybes. It was all about money. I reckon he's earned more points for Wigan than NGog has earned for us. I know which signing I think was the better one.
Considering Wigan don't have that 12th man at home. They haven't done that bad to be honest. Spot onSheer suicide selling him to wigan.I am sick of hearing how we couldn,t give him 1st choice position, well we bloody well should have he is better than the bog man by far for me. wigan safe, us gone i reckon, loss to swansea while QPR beat spurs. Game over.
What I can't understand is if Al Habsi was so good, then why did 4 Managers not play him regular. Even Megson dropped him once Jussi was fit again.
Was it an attitude problem or what... I have no idea, since I don not know what goes on at The Reebok, or the training ground.
But the Manageers/Coaches do...
"My last comment on this subject", and a Debate that should now be dropped...
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Well potentially we could be in the same position next season. WBA and West Spam are reportedly interested in Jussi. Should we sell? Will it cost us our Championship oops (sorry) our Premiership survival next season if we let him go?
I liked Ali too. Technically better than Jussi but its gone. We wont have gone down solely because of the goalie. Boggers has done well. We haven't been defending as a team, lets not blame the defence.
We have been poor since Jan 2011. It isn't solely down to the manager, but you can't argue that he hasn't contributed a significant proportion to our predicament IMAO. There are a number of issues that I feel he could and should have done something about.
I have to say though that I fell both Pratley and Ngog will come good. Some players need two seasons to get use to the Premiership and though Ngog has been at Liverpool, he never really got enough games.
Touch and Go as to whether we survive. We lack goalscorers in the side the one commodity that always kept us in the Prem. Feel that has been biggest weakness of the lot. In the past we could turn defeats into draws and draws into victories, unfortunately no longer.
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Greeny2 wrote: I have to say though that I fell both Pratley and Ngog will come good. Some players need two seasons to get use to the Premiership and though Ngog has been at Liverpool, he never really got enough games.
Touch and Go as to whether we survive. We lack goalscorers in the side the one commodity that always kept us in the Prem. Feel that has been biggest weakness of the lot. In the past we could turn defeats into draws and draws into victories, unfortunately no longer.
You can't help think that there must be more to those two than we've seen. Stelios seemed to take some time to play himself in, and maybe this is the same for them?
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