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| Megson didn't like him because he didn't kick the ball up to SKD all the time.
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Tweek wrote: BringBackBurndenPark wrote:
Not only will Ali have saved them a few times this season. He would have given the back line a hell of a lot of confidence.
The rest of the team won't be afraid to play football with a good keeper. They will pass it instead of hoofing it out of the box just to get it away. Wigan have been complimented on "playing football" a lot this season. Their bad luck has come in front of goal most of the time.
Knowing you have a man like Ali between the sticks can do the team a world of good. It helps when your keeper doesn't just kick the ball out of his hands every time he has it too.
Ali was the best keeper at this club no ifs, buts or maybes. It was all about money. I reckon he's earned more points for Wigan than NGog has earned for us. I know which signing I think was the better one.
Considering Wigan don't have that 12th man at home. They haven't done that bad to be honest. Spot on Sheer suicide selling him to wigan.I am sick of hearing how we couldn,t give him 1st choice position, well we bloody well should have he is better than the bog man by far for me. wigan safe, us gone i reckon, loss to swansea while QPR beat spurs. Game over.
What I can't understand is if Al Habsi was so good, then why did 4 Managers not play him regular. Even Megson dropped him once Jussi was fit again.
Was it an attitude problem or what... I have no idea, since I don not know what goes on at The Reebok, or the training ground.
But the Manageers/Coaches do...
"My last comment on this subject", and a Debate that should now be dropped...
Mangers go with what they know. Jussi had a proven record, Alhabsi didn't. Mego is the one whoose really to blame on this as it was Al habsi that kept Bolton up and he could and should have continued with him.
I suspect though it was Mego who already was feeling the pressure of the crowd on his back. If he'd dropped Jussi the following season, in Meggos eyes, it would have given the crowd further amunition. I suspect Meggo was having difficulty keeping the players together and morale up so he kept to the safe option. By the time Coyle came jussi was playing pretty well and therefore there was no reason to change. After that Alhabsi chose to leave.
Don't think most football managers really know what they're doing. They wouldn't survive in the real world and thats the real problem.
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The debate is utter cobnuts.
1. The season he was on loan we didn't need him - we finished above Wigan.
That's not really logical is it. It's not about 'needing' him. What most thought was annoying was that Ali was our best keeper at the perfect age and clearly better than an aging Jussi.
We should always be looking to improve our team and Ali was the best option in most people's eyes. That's why most people are annoyed.
But it's been and gone. It's a really strange argument because both sides continue to remain unobjective and just state the facts FOR or AGAINST and don't come to any middle ground.
He was our best keeper, he was sold (probably) to generate funds. Fair enough. It hasn't really worked out as we'd like just yet but maybe we will get more from N'Gog if we can stay up and get some players who can play football in the middle of the park to give him a sniff of service.
Ok, "most people" are annoyed and thought Ali was the best keeper on the books. I suggest "most people" apply for the manager's job and the goalie coach job at BWFC next time the situations are vacant. 
I suspect "most people" might find that when they are in those positions, these seemingly patently obvious choices are not quite so easy to make. 
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 09:24 pm |
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| Seriously, still talking about Al Habsi??? Get over it!!!
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| bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.......Al's gone and he's not coming back. Bolton are a bunch of stragglers that don't deserve to be in the Prem. Want some passion / pride / gusto.....look at Wigan. I'm ashamed to be a Bolton fan right now......
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flamingboy wrote: bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.......Al's gone and he's not coming back. Bolton are a bunch of stragglers that don't deserve to be in the Prem. Want some passion / pride / gusto.....look at Wigan. I'm ashamed to be a Bolton fan right now......
You don't even seem to be, or have been a Bolton Fan... So go back to eating your Pies...
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bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.......Al's gone and he's not coming back. Bolton are a bunch of stragglers that don't deserve to be in the Prem. Want some passion / pride / gusto.....look at Wigan. I'm ashamed to be a Bolton fan right now......
Funny how on another post you couldnt give a shite, yet you comment on here. Make your mind up.
Why do you refer to Bolton as though you dont support them, yet say your ashamed? Maybe its a bit past your bedtime.
Get mummy to give you your milk and tuck you into bed. Jog on
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 09:41 pm |
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Loftys Roar wrote: flamingboy wrote:
bitch, bitch, bitch, bitch.......Al's gone and he's not coming back. Bolton are a bunch of stragglers that don't deserve to be in the Prem. Want some passion / pride / gusto.....look at Wigan. I'm ashamed to be a Bolton fan right now......
Funny how on another post you couldnt give a shite, yet you comment on here. Make your mind up.
Why do you refer to Bolton as though you dont support them, yet say your ashamed? Maybe its a bit past your bedtime.
Get mummy to give you your milk and tuck you into bed. Jog on
Good Reminder Lofty, appears that he took notice of what you said, and asked his mummy to tuck him in, and turn off his bedside light. Not forgetting his computer...
Hence him signing off....
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It's crunch time and we need a hero... perhaps it will be SKD or perhaps Pratley or N'gog... but someone has to step up and get hot in the next few games. The players stand to lose a lot if they don't, and my guess is someone will step up and give us the points we need to survive.
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Posted: Tue Apr 17th, 2012 10:19 pm |
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The debate is utter cobnuts.
1. The season he was on loan we didn't need him - we finished above Wigan.
That's not really logical is it. It's not about 'needing' him. What most thought was annoying was that Ali was our best keeper at the perfect age and clearly better than an aging Jussi.
We should always be looking to improve our team and Ali was the best option in most people's eyes. That's why most people are annoyed.
But it's been and gone. It's a really strange argument because both sides continue to remain unobjective and just state the facts FOR or AGAINST and don't come to any middle ground.
He was our best keeper, he was sold (probably) to generate funds. Fair enough. It hasn't really worked out as we'd like just yet but maybe we will get more from N'Gog if we can stay up and get some players who can play football in the middle of the park to give him a sniff of service.
Ok, "most people" are annoyed and thought Ali was the best keeper on the books. I suggest "most people" apply for the manager's job and the goalie coach job at BWFC next time the situations are vacant.
I suspect "most people" might find that when they are in those positions, these seemingly patently obvious choices are not quite so easy to make.
Fair enough, make a joke if you like. Supporters call it how they see it. If their opinion is pointless (which is the implication you're making) in your eyes why are you on a forum?
I'm quite happy with how things have turned out. AAH was our best keeper but Cahill was also our best defender. We have to sell them at some point, it's perfectly clear that we're a selling club.
I wanted AAH to stay, but Bogdan's a decent keeper who will hopefully improve. If we're assuming N'Gog was signed with AAH money, I also think we've done a good piece of business there.
Want to be a referee on my CV?
Because I'd be superb once Coyle clears his desk.  Last edited on Tue Apr 17th, 2012 10:20 pm by Woody
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2012 08:15 am |
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Been on this forum since day 1, Woody. I was trying to be humorous to lighten the rancour, but I failed. I am very sorry.
My opinion, and I do not expect anyone else to agree because it is a forum, and everyone is entitled to their say, preferably politely, is that the sale of Ali has only minimal bearing on our plight. It is mainly down to the loss of Holden and Lee in midfield, and the failure to replace our top scorers Elmander and Sturridge, plus woeful defending.
Perhaps I have been on here far too long. Other than Billy and Frankie, most of the other originals have long gone.
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Posted: Wed Apr 18th, 2012 08:59 am |
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Valderee wrote: Been on this forum since day 1, Woody. I was trying to be humorous to lighten the rancour, but I failed. I am very sorry.
My opinion, and I do not expect anyone else to agree because it is a forum, and everyone is entitled to their say, preferably politely, is that the sale of Ali has only minimal bearing on our plight. It is mainly down to the loss of Holden and Lee in midfield, and the failure to replace our top scorers Elmander and Sturridge, plus woeful defending.
Perhaps I have been on here far too long. Other than Billy and Frankie, most of the other originals have long gone.
Ok to give this a little stoke..
Ali Al-Habsi did not want a guarantee, he wanted a chance, something he did not get under Megson, and Coyle had stated that the loan to Wigan was to give him some game time and get to look at him under real Prem situation.
Valderee opinion is valid, and one I agree with. The loss of Holden and Chungy through injury and the players who left has been the main problem for the club. add to that Mears and Muamba situations we have put a serious strain on an average squad. And we have suffered.
The sale of Ali AL-Habsi is not why WE are in this position but my original point was it his form has a considerable influence on how Wigan are playing. His refusal to only hit the ball long and the confidence some of his saves instill in the team are a big plus for THEM..
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Been on this forum since day 1, Woody. I was trying to be humorous to lighten the rancour, but I failed. I am very sorry.
As was I. Let me know about the CV reference.
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Woody wrote: Valderee wrote:
Been on this forum since day 1, Woody. I was trying to be humorous to lighten the rancour, but I failed. I am very sorry.
As was I. Let me know about the CV reference.
Can I have a reference for the goalkeeping coach if and when it becomes available, been here since day 1 also..
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Valderee wrote: Been on this forum since day 1, Woody. I was trying to be humorous to lighten the rancour, but I failed. I am very sorry.
My opinion, and I do not expect anyone else to agree because it is a forum, and everyone is entitled to their say, preferably politely, is that the sale of Ali has only minimal bearing on our plight. It is mainly down to the loss of Holden and Lee in midfield, and the failure to replace our top scorers Elmander and Sturridge, plus woeful defending.
Perhaps I have been on here far too long. Other than Billy and Frankie, most of the other originals have long gone.
Ok to give this a little stoke..
Ali Al-Habsi did not want a guarantee, he wanted a chance, something he did not get under Megson, and Coyle had stated that the loan to Wigan was to give him some game time and get to look at him under real Prem situation.
Valderee opinion is valid, and one I agree with. The loss of Holden and Chungy through injury and the players who left has been the main problem for the club. add to that Mears and Muamba situations we have put a serious strain on an average squad. And we have suffered.
The sale of Ali AL-Habsi is not why WE are in this position but my original point was it his form has a considerable influence on how Wigan are playing. His refusal to only hit the ball long and the confidence some of his saves instill in the team are a big plus for THEM..
Thats a moot point because he was in goal when they lost 8 games in a row. Didn't hear anyone saying he was so influential then?
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Thats a moot point because he was in goal when they lost 8 games in a row. Didn't hear anyone saying he was so influential then?
I think if you check back Martinez was praising him through that run..
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christiep wrote: Fact of the matter is we need to give everything we have against swansea sat. Get an early goal and play with confidence-play like we are desperate for the win. After watching Villa on sunday I am quietly optimistic about beating them away too. A performance similar to the one against Everton away and Newcastle for 70 mins (albeit more clinical) should be good. This is my prediction for the table next weds...
Villa p35 36
Bolton P 34 35
Wigan P 35 34
QPR P 35 31
B'Burn P 35 31
Wolves P35 23
I honestly see us beating swansea and villa in our next two games. Can't see anything other than a win for spurs against QPR. Football is a funny old game and after beating Arsenal away I can just see Wigan losing away at Fulham. I expect B'burn to beat Norwich at home, Wolves will lose at home to City and I can see a score draw for villa at home against Sunderland. Call me crazy but thats how I see things panning out. Let's hope I'm right.
I'd settle for that!
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Catte Strophe wrote:
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Thats a moot point because he was in goal when they lost 8 games in a row. Didn't hear anyone saying he was so influential then?
I think if you check back Martinez was praising him through that run..
But they still lost those games.
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Loftys Roar wrote: Catte Strophe wrote:
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Thats a moot point because he was in goal when they lost 8 games in a row. Didn't hear anyone saying he was so influential then?
I think if you check back Martinez was praising him through that run..
But they still lost those games.
Yes but clearly your point which I responded to was incorrect, I have no doubt they lost as in "when they lost 8 games in a row".. So I guess your point is therefore moot
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| Can't believe QPR are beating Spurs. Still we're just not good enough.
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| We have a mountain to climb now. Victory at Villa is now essential. Another 'good point' won't be good enough I fear.
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My updated end of season forecast makes grim reading tonight:
Wigan 41 pts
QPR 37 pts
Wanderers 33 pts
Blackburn 32 pts
Wolves 27
I have us down for 3 draws (Villa, WBA, Spurs)and 2 defeats in our last five games.
Just praying that my predictions don't start suddenly becoming accurate - we need some wins asap.
William Hill have us at 1-2 for the drop.
Depressing.
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| Well I think we can expect two wins from the last five, though I don't know which ones. And the one advantage is clearly that we have nearly twice the games as our rivals. But I doubt six points is enough, so we're going to have to pull a surprise result or two out (as I think I said earlier maybe).
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Think we need 3 wins to stay up think 9 points should be enough hopefully.
It's going to be a big ask with how we are playing at the moment but hopefully we can show the fight to stay in the premier league in these last five games.
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Quit hoping
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| Craig, the thing is at our best (even though its not brilliant with the garbage players we have) we can beat both Villa and Sunderland away. The problem is I don't know which Bolton will turn up. The Bolton who played magnificently against Everton, Stoke and to an extend Newcastle away for 70 minutes or the shite which turned up against Fulham and Swansea yesterday. The only comfort I have is that Blackburn play Spurs away and QPR play Chelsea away next weekend. We NEED to beat Villa away to give us a fighting chance. QPR have three games left and play both chelsea and City. Can see them ending on 37, Blackburn have three games left and have to play Spurs away Chelsea and Spurs away-Wigan at home being their only other game so I predict a maximum of 34 point for them. I know to expect the unexpected in this league but looking at that 38 will keep us up. 8 points out of 15 to save our season. Not even sure we can get that but I'm not losing hope.
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There's more chance of Scotland putting a man on the moon
Quit hoping
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How did you get access to Coyle's motivational talk scripts?
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Dunno
I wish someone would send Coyle to the moon though
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When I started this thread I did my predictions and had us for the drop. Other teams however have got points I'd hoped they wouldn't so I am now even less optimistic.
The season everyone had us down with Fulham and we had a mountain to climb, I was still confident. This year we are in a better position than we were back then and I honestly don't feel good about it.
This is simply a poor team and maybe the worst we've had Since we came up.
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BringBackBurndenPark wrote: When I started this thread I did my predictions and had us for the drop. Other teams however have got points I'd hoped they wouldn't so I am now even less optimistic.
The season everyone had us down with Fulham and we had a mountain to climb, I was still confident. This year we are in a better position than we were back then and I honestly don't feel good about it.
This is simply a poor team and maybe the worst we've had Since we came up.
Stay up or relegated.......a mass clear out is needed. I fear it won't happen if we stay up. If we're relegated, we'll get rid of the deadwood easy enough. We need to get in players who are hungry. Swansea and Norwich have done well not because they have fantastic players, but because they have players who want to play. They are eager to learn and they want to play decent football. They'll both find it more difficult next season, but you can't fault them on what they've done to date.
The scary thing is that we don't just need a couple of changes, we need wholesale changes. The attitude of the players stinks IMO. Attitude will probably keep Wigan and QPR up this season. Not fantastic players or brilliant management.....just a willingness to get stuck in and a belief that when they walk out onto that pitch, it's just 11 v 11.
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