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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2012 07:29 pm |
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Marvin Sordell has been included in the GB Olympic squad. Hopefully will get a lot more game time next season, he must be a decent player... God only knows why it took Coyle all that time to play him...
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Marvin Sordell has been included in the Team GB squad for this summer's Olympic Games.
Coach Stuart Pearce named his 18-man squad on Monday afternoon.
Sordell has played regularly for Pearce in the England Under-21 setup, where he has made seven appearances and scored two goals since making his debut in September 2011.
Team GB play their group games against Senegal on 26 July (Old Trafford), United Arab Emirates on 29 July (Wembley) and Uruguay on 1 August (Millennium Stadium).
The full 18-man squad is as follows:
- Jack Butland (Birmingham City)
- Jason Steele (Middlesbrough)
- Ryan Bertrand (Chelsea)
- Steven Caulker (Tottenham Hotspur)
- Craig Dawson (West Bromwich Albion)
- Neil Taylor (Swansea City)
- James Tomkins (West Ham United)
- Micah Richards (Manchester City)
- Joe Allen (Swansea City)
- Tom Cleverley (Manchester United)
- Jack Cork (Southampton)
- Ryan Giggs (Manchester United)
- Aaron Ramsey (Arsenal)
- Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur)
- Craig Bellamy (Liverpool)
- Marvin Sordell (Bolton Wanderers)
- Scott Sinclair (Swansea City)
- Daniel Sturridge (Chelsea)
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2012 07:32 pm |
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Just noticed this in another topic, but think it deserves its own...
Hopefully we'll be commenting on how well he is playing! 
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2012 08:46 pm |
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| yay! go Sordell! now have more reason to watch other than the fact it is football!
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2012 08:47 pm |
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| I take it Mavies is over 23 then? I thought he was 23. Also any idea about Tim Ream for USA?
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Posted: Mon Jul 2nd, 2012 09:35 pm |
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| Who's Sordell?
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Posted: Tue Jul 3rd, 2012 07:32 am |
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| Good luck Marvin almost worth getting a ticket..
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Not good news for Daniel Sturridge though.
Diagnosed with viral meningitis.
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Frankie wrote: Not good news for Daniel Sturridge though.
Diagnosed with viral meningitis.
Nasty
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Catte Strophe wrote: Good luck Marvin almost worth getting a ticket..
It can only do his confidence good, and believe he will be one of the top scorers in The Championship.
Would be good to see a regular scorer in the team... Its been a long time...
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I can't remember the last time I went to Old Traff but I must say I'm thinking about going to watch the GB team play in a couple of weeks, something I would not have contemplated had Beckham been in the squad.
I think that Stuart Pearce see's this as a great opportunity to move up to the top job if RH doesn't bring about the change we must have in the national team.
Sordell must be pinching himself unable to believe the chance that's come his way, will it be 'Marvelous Marvin' let's hope so.
What's the latest on Danny Sturridge, must be so worrying for all concerned. God Bless.
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sweetmcdonald wrote: I can't remember the last time I went to Old Traff but I must say I'm thinking about going to watch the GB team play in a couple of weeks, something I would not have contemplated had Beckham been in the squad.
I think that Stuart Pearce see's this as a great opportunity to move up to the top job if RH doesn't bring about the change we must have in the national team.
Sordell must be pinching himself unable to believe the chance that's come his way, will it be 'Marvelous Marvin' let's hope so.
What's the latest on Danny Sturridge, must be so worrying for all concerned. God Bless.
Please God this never happens, a more inept Manager there has never been makes Megson look like a miracle worker. Pearce has become a yes man as he knows that keeps him employed, if he was a league manager he would have been on his ear years ago... The FA love a yes man.
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I certainly agree with you about the FA's liking for 'yes' men. The most successful English born manager (but I'm happy to be proved wrong) Brian Clough, wasn't interviewed for the job because he didn't fit the No.1 requirement, namely, the ability to say 'Yes' when required to do so.
Regarding Stuart Pearce, I've never been a fan, all this anger and emotion and sticking his neck out has never cut much ice with me (you never see the great players doing that) but there are people who like to see it and think it's shows he cares. Maybe so. I changed my opinion of him when he stood up to the establishment and did the right thing and left Beckham out. He may not be the greatest (or even decent) manager but he is not a Yes man.
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sweetmcdonald wrote: I certainly agree with you about the FA's liking for 'yes' men. The most successful English born manager (but I'm happy to be proved wrong) Brian Clough, wasn't interviewed for the job because he didn't fit the No.1 requirement, namely, the ability to say 'Yes' when required to do so.
Regarding Stuart Pearce, I've never been a fan, all this anger and emotion and sticking his neck out has never cut much ice with me (you never see the great players doing that) but there are people who like to see it and think it's shows he cares. Maybe so. I changed my opinion of him when he stood up to the establishment and did the right thing and left Beckham out. He may not be the greatest (or even decent) manager but he is not a Yes man.
I can't argue with Brian Clough, if Mr Rioch had been given his opportunity at Arsenal he may have been a rival for that claim.
I agree also on Beckham not being in the GB squad, but if Pearce had been any kind of Manager he would have told him before having him in the shortlist. Pearce fits the FA bill and that concerns me for the future.
I doubt that England as a team will ever challenge with the FA in ist current format and the Club versus Country conflict, having someone who does not rock the boat Managing the squad will not allow the Country to achieve what we all want.
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Pearce should be glad he has got the Olympic job.
It did not take Roy Hodgson long to decide he did not need him in the Euros.
Roy has four years to sort out the whole England structure from the age-groups up to the top- as well as win matches with the main England team. Although he looks smart in a blazer, he is no yes-man.
Pearce won't be wanted in the Under 21's unless he learns to do thing Roy's way.
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| Brian Clough was interviewed for the England managers job twice (1977 lost to Ron Greenwood and 1982 lost to Bobby Robson). At the time i thought it was wrong that Clough didn't have a chance. Having read a lot about Clough's method's I'm not really surprised. He was too much of a loose cannon.
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Thanks for that, I didn't know he had been interviewed (or maybe forgot). He was a bit wacky but got results and certainly wasn't a Yes man, a very good player in his day too.
PS, I wasn't suggesting that Pearse be given the England job but that it must be in the back of his mind if things don't work out for RH and his Team GB get to the final (or semi's).
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I have read a little about Brian Clough and his methods, IMHO initially he did not realise the talent he had for dealing with Human beings and generally the really good man Managers don't fully understand their own methodology. It only goes wrong when they get a feel for it and try to enhance their powers by making subtle and not too subtle changes.
There has been a lot written about the relationship with Peter Taylor and how he was the steadying hand, as I see it he "got" BC and he could see how he generated loyalty and determination amongst the players, why they went the extra mile for him. He knew when chairmen would allow him a free hand and when not, so he had more control than perhaps BC had, and made decisions right for himself but could not convince BC when jobs were not right for BC.
He would have torn up the script at the FA, they could not have lived with that and perhaps we would have a more even playing field at Club and Country level. Instead they select the Manager who will tow the party line and the FA can keep milking the cash cow. We will continue to pander to the press and the corporates, clubs will get more powers to keep players back and we will qualify and then fail in tournaments.
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| I remember that 'Cloughey' publicly supported the mines during the strike (but can't remember how). He was a man of the people and who knows how he would have changed the world of football. Maybe the new Wembley would have be built away from London. Maybe the game would belong more to the average fans.
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Clough mostly worked on personal relationships, Taylor was the more the tactician. He reminded players that he had saved them from:
the demon drink...
gambling debts ...
prison ...
womanising ...
lower division obscurity ...
non-league football ...
the dole queue ...
(you can fill in the players names if you wish)
One player claims he hardly spoke to him at all as he didn't need to as he was an incredibly self motivated player. Now an incredibly self motivated manager in the a similar style.
These motivations worked for the sort of players he signed - talented, damaged goods. Burns, Gemill, Lloyd, Withe, Shilton etc
Working with very talented, non-damaged goods proved somewhat harder when he signed players of huge fees later in his career (probable exception Trevor Francis).
Don Revie had a similar ethos at Leeds - he looked after his (extremely talented) players like a father. These same methods didn't work when he became manager of England. Likewise I'm not sure that Clough's methods would have worked with England either.
Certainly he was a great British league manager and brightened up football. I loved his attitude that you played football in the winter and cricket in the summer, and yes his support for the miners showed he hadn't forgotten his roots.
The coach that England did miss out on, I believe, was Malcolm Alison. Genius coach, not a manager. But England is not about buying and selling players - he would have been ideal. He was doing all the stuff clubs do now, diet, fitness, individual training plans, variety of training in the late 60's early 70's. He would regularly go abroad to study the great European clubs methods and then incorporate it into his own work.
As for Stuart Pearce - he represents everything that people want in a British footballer ie run through brick walls without any thought. Unfortunately the Spanish, German's, Italians etc realise that you can play a one-two around the brick wall and come away with the ball and you brains still intact! Football is about brains more than passion especially at the top level. Passion makes up for a lack of ability, it plasters over the cracks.
Just my thoughts.Last edited on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 01:46 pm by Benny_Bear
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Benny_Bear wrote: Clough mostly worked on personal relationships, Taylor was the more the tactician. He reminded players that he had saved them from:
Working with very talented, non-damaged goods proved somewhat harder when he signed players of huge fees later in his career (probable exception Trevor Francis).
Don Revie had a similar ethos at Leeds - he looked after his (extremely talented) players like a father. These same methods didn't work when he became manager of England. Likewise I'm not sure that Clough's methods would have worked with England either.
Certainly he was a great British league manager and brightened up football. I loved his attitude that you played football in the winter and cricket in the summer, and yes his support for the miners showed he hadn't forgotten his roots.
The coach that England did miss out on, I believe, was Malcolm Alison. Genius coach, not a manager. But England is not about buying and selling players - he would have been ideal. He was doing all the stuff clubs do now, diet, fitness, individual training plans, variety of training in the late 60's early 70's. He would regularly go abroad to study the great European clubs methods and then incorporate it into his own work.
As for Stuart Pearce - he represents everything that people want in a British footballer ie run through brick walls without any thought. Unfortunately the Spanish, German's, Italians etc realise that you can play a one-two around the brick wall and come away with the ball and you brains still intact! Football is about brains more than passion especially at the top level. Passion makes up for a lack of ability, it plasters over the cracks.
Just my thoughts.
With BC, I suspect he thought he had a handle on how he got players to do extra ordinary things and tried to apply this to more talented individuals, they saw through him and he struggled.
Don Revie, took talented players and taught them the brutal art of the game, they went from being talented light weights to be stong physical cynical footballers (The British model).
Malcolm Allison, spot on and how did I forget him shame on me. A true visionary but also prone to some starnge antics a man who lived life and knew the game inside out. He would have scared the FA to death also. Unlikely to see his like again although the special one has a try but is a pale imitation.
SP The British model soon the FA will notice this only gets you so far, then you need a trick, some pace or flair as you can only charge through so many walls...
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| Malcolm Allison certainly lived life to the full and unfortunately this was all the media (formerly known as the press) saw.
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I think (but could very easily be wrong) that when Don Revie was centre-forward for City in the mid fifties he developed the 'deep lying centre-forward' idea. The expression the 'Revie Plan' comes to mind. I know I'm going back a bit but Revie was certainly much more than a 90min footballer, he thought about different ways the game could be played.
Alf Ramsey, the World Cup winning manager, developed what was termed -wingless wonders - which I think was based on the original 'Revie Plan.
Again, my memory could be playing tricks and I'm happy to stand corrected.Last edited on Thu Jul 12th, 2012 08:15 pm by sweetmcdonald
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| You are correct. Revie developed (read copied) a role of a deep lying centre forward when he played for Manchester City. It was the Hungarians who invented this position, and in fact most of what we know as modern day tactics (with, of course, many variations on a theme.) But certainly, Revie was more than a just maker of thugs - he was a thinker and tactician.
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The Hungarians were certainly a revelation and sent a shock through the football word. They burst on the scene when they beat England 6-3 at Wembley in 1952/3. Their fast interpassing, close control and dribbling skills left people in disbelief, this was not how the game had ever been played.
It wasn't just the way they played but also their boots that were different. We were wearing the big, heavy ankle protectors whilst they had the lightweight low cut boots. Every schoolboy had to have 'Continental' boots.
Unfortunately our copying of their boots is where it stopped. We still put more emphasis on effort and passion and 'Putting a shift in' than ball control.
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Just re-read my Don Revie comment, and it comes across as a bit harsh.
He was a talented manager who developed more than the physical side of the game, what I meant to indicate was that he developed the whole picture and fully appreciated that you first need to stop your opponent and then you can use the ball.
He developed a useful Leeds side into a great Leeds team, if he had not been lured away from England who knows how that would have turned out.
As a kid I tried to base my game on how Johnny Giles played the game, I guess it did me no harm. And if I am honest I loved the way Revie's Leeds played the game, and would pay to watch that in a heart beat.
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sweetmcdonald wrote: The Hungarians were certainly a revelation and sent a shock through the football word. They burst on the scene when they beat England 6-3 at Wembley in 1952/3. Their fast interpassing, close control and dribbling skills left people in disbelief, this was not how the game had ever been played.
It wasn't just the way they played but also their boots that were different. We were wearing the big, heavy ankle protectors whilst they had the lightweight low cut boots. Every schoolboy had to have 'Continental' boots.
Unfortunately our copying of their boots is where it stopped. We still put more emphasis on effort and passion and 'Putting a shift in' than ball control.
I can recommend Stanley Matthews book, he was very quick to ditch the "English" boot, it is some years since I read the book but if I remember correctly it was after a tour of South America with the Football league or England. He then located a supplier and had them shipped in at his own expense.
Generally the book is an excellent read.
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Prior to the Hungarians, we played by getting ball to the winger (say Matthews and Finney) who would then take on the full back in a one against one contest, cross the ball from the byline and the big centre forward (say Nat) would power it into the goal. That was it. The Hungarians used all the pitch in triangles. They also had Puskas, a supremely gifted footballer, with a magnificent first touch, something we still fail to appreciate.
The interesting thing is that the Hungarians hadn't just done this the day they turned up at Wembley. We were so arrogant that we thought ours was the only way and in many respects we haven't changed that much. With the exception of the last Euros we turn up thinking we are going to win it with our passion and commitment. We think it is great when Steven Gerrard (who is a talented player) charges around the field diving in at 90 miles an hour and when Rooney clenches his fist and snarls. I don't remember Iniesta, Xaxi, Alonso, Pirlo etc doing any of that!
It's the same reason Glenn Hoddle is not remembered as an international great - we called him lazy. He had the skill, touch and vision. Can't stand stand him as a man (disabled comments) but he was a great footballer.
The sooner we look and learn the better. The Stuart Pearce attitude will not take us on anywhere. Unfortunately a lot of coach's mantra is "power and strength" so we will not move on because "power and strength" will win you games in the leagues.
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Clough was a great manager, but I hated him as a bloke. I hated his personality. I don't buy the argument that he had to be that way to be successful. It was undoubtedly part of his make-up, but there have been many great managers who manage to have some good grace and humility.
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Marvin Sordell came on as a sub in the GB friendly game against Brazil tonight. He looked a bit clumsy compared to the Brazilians but put himself about a bit and let them know he was there.
Reminded me of a young Michael Ricketts...
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